Episode 390

Unlocking Your Full Potential through Self Improvement with Alan Lazaros

Published on: 27th February, 2025

In this powerful follow-up episode, we talk more about the journey of self-discovery and personal growth with Alan Lazaros. Building on our previous conversation about social awkwardness and not fitting in, we explore how Alan transformed his life after a serious car accident at age 26. Alan's dad, at the age of 28, had passed away from a car accident when Alan was just 2 years old.

Alan shares his experiences of achieving external success but feeling internally unfulfilled and how he shifted his focus to self improvement. He openly discusses the challenges of balancing achievement with personal growth, and the importance of aligning passion, purpose, and profit in one's career. Alan reveals two different frameworks he uses and takes business coaching clients through to gain clarity and self awareness.


Overcoming Childhood Traumas

  • The impact of facing mortality on personal growth and self-reflection
  • How to break free from the societal pressure to "genuinely feel" emotionally
  • The importance of self-awareness in setting and achieving meaningful goals
  • Strategies for maintaining focus on personal development during daily challenges
  • The importance of finding your tribe and being true to yourself


The key moments in this episode are:

00:07:52 - The wake-up call from a car accident

00:16:10 - Passion, Purpose, and Profit

00:24:26 - Reflecting on 2024 and Planning for 2025

00:27:38 - The Power of Reflection and Self-Improvement

00:30:48 - Finding Like-Minded Individuals

00:42:59 - The Freedom to Be Okay

00:52:15 - True Strength in Vulnerability

00:57:49 - How Accountability and Productivity Lead to Success


Connect with Alan Lazaros

Website

https://www.nextleveluniverse.com


LinkedIn

https://www.linkedin.com/in/alanlazarosllc


Instagram

http://www.instagram.com/alazaros88


Facebook

http://www.facebook.com/alan.lazaros

 

Connect with Mike Forrester

Podcast Website

https://LivingFearlessTodayPodcast.com

 

Coaching Website

https://www.hicoachmike.com/

 

LinkedIn

https://www.linkedin.com/in/hicoachmike/

 

Youtube

https://www.youtube.com/@hicoachmike

 

Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/hicoachmike

 

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/hicoachmike


Transcript
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Well, hello, and welcome back, my friend.

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Well, this is going to be round two, so round one with, uh, Alan Lazarus,

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we got into dude, like just going through, Hey, I feel like I'm too much.

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I don't feel like I fit in because of, you know, just the social awkwardness

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of I'm different than everybody.

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So what do I do?

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And the truth is we can fit in on both of those sides of the spectrum, right?

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Just not fitting in, but whoever we are, there's.

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Always something where we feel like we're lacking.

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So, um, Alan shared where, you know, at, at the super young age, his dad

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was in a car accident and passed away.

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And then at 14, his stepdad and his mom ended up getting a divorce.

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So, you know, he lost his second dad and I don't know about you, but I remember

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being a teenager at 14 and that is a very crucial formative time and to, you

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know, just have that kind of change.

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Yeah.

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Very impactful.

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So now we're going to jump ahead.

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Um, you know, Alan's Alan's gone to school, gotten his

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degrees and he's crushing it.

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Just a lot of success, but lacking that fulfillment.

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And I think a lot of us can get it where we're kind of like, I'm

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here, but there's golden handcuffs.

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I can't go anywhere.

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So.

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Now we're going to jump into, um, more of, you know, after 25 and

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what's gone on and how Alan has really dialed in things to where he's going.

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This is where I want to go for the next year and just building upon success

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and action and seeing those results.

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So Alan, how are you doing today?

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My friend?

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I am great.

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I had an awesome time chatting with you before this and just thinking about pinch

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myself moment because I, I do adore.

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Powerful conversations, deep conversations, I, and I think with

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everything we adore on the other side of that spectrum is something we can't effin

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stand, pardon my French, and what I can't stand is surface level conversations that

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don't have substance, and I just, I feel like it's December, it's the holidays, I

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know a lot of people are having a lot of conversations about a lot of nonsense, and

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to me, let's talk about the things that we can control, Things that we can influence

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versus all this stuff that maybe doesn't really matter that much when it comes

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to real life Helping real people in the real world i just love deeply meaningful

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conversations about things that matter say things that matter to people who care and

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that's what i'm here to do so thank you for having me it's an awesome second round

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and i am curious to see where it goes

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absolutely we talked through disk and like being too much and

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relentless work ethic and i mean.

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Dude, there was just so much packed in there where it's like,

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yeah, I think most of us as men can relate to something within the

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story that you've shared so far.

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And now this is really kind of, we're going to jump in.

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This is a game changer here where it was like, you were very

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reflective about what happened.

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So at 26, you got into a serious accident, which caused you to be very.

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Reflective about what was going on.

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Can you take us back to that time and, um, kind of like what happened and then the

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dominoes that it set in, in place to, uh, just put you on a different trajectory.

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So that was 10 years ago and trying to put myself back there.

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Even in this moment, I was so different 10 years ago.

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I was still me.

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My essence was there and a lot was the same as it is now.

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But there's so much that has transformed when I go back to that space.

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So when you say, uh, really challenging car accident, physically, we were okay.

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So I don't know if I told the story on the previous episode or

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not about somewhat losing three, three families by the time I'm 14.

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That

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part you did.

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Yes.

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That part.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So I remember when I was 14, people would say, well, these

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are the best years of your life.

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High school is the best years of your life.

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I remember thinking, God, I hope not.

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You know, that's atrocious man.

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The truth is, it's not.

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So any young people that might be listening, I mean, 14 being

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the best years of your life.

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Not true, even a little bit in my opinion.

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But again, mine was pretty terrible.

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So things have gotten better.

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But, but yeah.

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26 years old was the next big turning point.

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So 14 was a big one.

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And then 26 was the next biggest one, probably the biggest one, actually.

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So two individuals from my mom's side of the family had come back because my

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mom got in a fight with my aunt Sandy, and then she sort of ostracized us from

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that side of the family during 14 years.

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And one of them is my cousin, Jeff.

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He had a little, my second cousin, he had a son named Dan.

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Dan was in the car when he was 17 at the time.

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This is back in 2015.

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So it's a dark winter night.

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We're up in New Hampshire.

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And we were playing call of duty call of duty call of dudesky

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for the nerds among us 3.

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4 KD.

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It's not a big deal.

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Don't worry about it.

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It's not 3.

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4 KD kill to death ratio.

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I don't know who's counting.

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No, I'm being playful, but for any of the nerds out there,

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that was like a really big deal.

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So I basically had to get a nuke every other game in order

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to keep my kill to death ratio.

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If you, if you, and for those of you who don't know, uh, kill to death ratio

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is basically if you die five times, you have to get 25 kills just to get

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back to a five, uh, in that case.

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But anyways, so we were going to TGI Fridays and we weren't drinking

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or partying or anything like that.

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We were just a simple Friday night with my little cousin playing video games.

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And I was just an unhappy human being.

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I wasn't fulfilled.

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And for anyone else out there, you know, using video games as an

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escape from your reality, I think unconsciously a lot of us are doing that.

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And there's some fun to it too.

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Let's just say it's fun.

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It's super fun.

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That's why it's addictive Okay, so I end up on the wrong side of the road.

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I was supposed to yield three way intersection dark winter night 2015 snow

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banks are covering the yield signs I was supposed to yield I didn't entirely

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my fault on the wrong side of the road cross the double yellows Look down at

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the gps lookout Biggest, brightest lights I'd ever seen right in front of me.

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And this was my moment of engineering brain calculates, no possibility.

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We live, this is it.

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See, fortunately, two things saved my life.

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Number one, thank you.

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Volkswagen.

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I was driving a 2004 Volkswagen Passat that I bought in five grand cash.

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Cause I just wanted to pay off all my college debt and I wanted to

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invest everything I could in the stock market built well, which I did.

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And so I used to call this car, the tank German engineered steel

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travel car, both airbags deployed.

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The entire frame was completely smashed in.

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This was not a fender bender.

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This was a very serious accident, but the frame stayed.

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And the other, the other thing that saved my life is it was not a Mack truck.

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It was a lift kit pickup truck.

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And so the other person in the car was fine too.

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Because they had a huge lift kit.

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It was one of those obnoxious, sort of, let me show you how

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big my truck is, kind of guys.

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He was pissed at me.

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Very, very upset.

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Understandable.

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Understandable.

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But, so physically, we're okay.

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My little cousin, Dan, is tweeting about it already.

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He's fine.

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Sort of invincibility conflict, like, oh, we got in a car accident, significance.

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I'm rattled.

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Airbags deployed, he hurt his face on the airbag, his knee on the

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airbag, I hurt my face on the airbag.

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We're rattled physically, but we're okay.

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Mentally emotionally and spiritually though.

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My dad died in the car when he was 28 years old i've seen pictures of his

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car and I see my car and it doesn't look very different and that that

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was just my ultimate wake up call

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because This is the second chance my dad never got but I needed to

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turn my life around and I I use the tenacity On purpose, because

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the truth is, here's the truth.

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We all are letting ourselves down all the time.

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I was letting myself down so much, so much.

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Here's the problem.

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I wasn't letting myself down.

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Wasn't the people around me.

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If anything, I might've been ahead of them.

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Why are we allowing mediocrity to be the standard?

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Only, you know, whether or not you are reaching your potential.

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And I believe that fulfillment is what we all really want.

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We're all pursuing happiness and pleasure, but that will never do it.

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Fulfillment is I am aligned with my highest self.

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And only I know because we all have that higher self looking down saying

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hey Alan quit messing up man Hey Alan, you want to do that thing?

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Hey Alan, you really want to build a career?

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Hey Alan you you're better than this You're better than this.

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Um I've since found out that not everyone has that So maybe that's

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a unique to me thing because if you struggle with self belief Maybe your

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future self doesn't like my future self is ripping me out of bed every day

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It's like Alan get it together, man.

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Let's go.

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Um, it's probably Even more intense than that to be honest and Kev said

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I don't have that I don't I don't get pulled out of bed by my calling like

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Alan Um, but I do think we all have that whisper of you are better than this.

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You can do better than this You've got this you can do it.

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You're better than this.

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Stop breaking promises to yourself.

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Stop letting it ride Stop hanging out with people.

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You shouldn't stop doing things that are detrimental to you And so

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I think we all have this sort of It's the two wolves metaphor, right?

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You've got the good wolf and the bad wolf, and they're always fighting.

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The good wolf is self discipline and self love and self compassion and

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work ethic and humility and virtue and ambition and aspiration and greatness.

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And then the bad wolf is laziness, laziness, ego, arrogance,

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entitlement, lack of gratitude, uh, bullying, whatever it is.

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And I think that when you, you know, which wolf is going to

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wait, it's the one you feed.

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We've all sort of heard that metaphor.

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I was feeding the bad wolf and the good wolf.

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I was like, here's a little bit for you a little bit for you

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Here's a little bit for you.

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Here's a little bit for you over here I'm gonna work really hard at

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work and i'm gonna do well and i'm gonna build wealth and then over

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here I'm also gonna do some drinking.

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We're gonna drink some alcohol and we're gonna we're gonna let it ride We're

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gonna party we're gonna party We're gonna run amok and it was they were

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always doing this and when the bad wolf was winning I now understand socially

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that was actually being reinforced.

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I think this is really scary to share live Uh, or being recorded.

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I think there's been some people in my life who actually liked when I was less

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because it made them feel better about themselves.

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And I think, unfortunately, I've seen this, I've observed this.

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There's one person I'm thinking of, I'll keep it anonymous.

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People love this guy.

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They love this dude, he's hilarious.

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He's always a good time.

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He's He's got a big drinking problem and he's definitely not well put together

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But he does he's funny and he makes people feel better about themselves

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and I remember thinking to myself Okay after 26 i'm gonna turn

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it around i'm gonna I'm gonna build myself up brick by brick.

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I'm gonna build myself into my own hero.

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I'm gonna I'm gonna be the male role model.

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I never had

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when I do that and I become virtuous and giving and generous And I work

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on myself and I help others do the same people are gonna like me.

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That was the biggest Misunderstanding ever of all time.

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Nobody likes me now again.

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I'm being playful.

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They don't dislike What I would say is that I'm now a bigger mirror and

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or a trigger for people who aren't in alignment, people who aren't fulfilled,

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people who aren't in love, people who aren't exercising daily, people who aren't

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doing the work and, and rather than some pretentious arrogant guy on a podcast.

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What I would say is, unfortunately, we do celebrate mediocrity.

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Popular is common a lot of the time.

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And what is excellent, what is extraordinary, what is unbelievable,

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what's remarkable, is awesome on a stage in a stadium, but not when you're friends.

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Yeah.

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Like you talked about with the mirrors, dude, when you change Alan, like when

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you come out of an unhealthy family or circle of friends, you talked

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about the mirror, dude, it's going to put people where it's like, I now

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have to make a decision in my life.

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Am I going to stay the way I am?

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Or am I going to change?

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And people don't like having that it.

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That decision put before them where it's like do i stay friends

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with Alan or do i stay the way i am or what do i do because you're

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rocking the boat when you go making.

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Changes that better you whether it's mentally emotionally

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physically spiritually whatever you're disrupting the ecosystem

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yeah the homeostasis point that anyone who's on a comfortable.

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Path, maybe telling themselves a story that, that they're giving it all they

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got when you come in as a try hard, it can be a big, and I'm just, the reason

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I was giggling and laughing sort of for anyone who was on video, I'm just thinking

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about how naive I was 10 years ago, I, I remember when I found self improvement

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and after the car accident, that's really what it did for me, it opened me up to

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self improvement because before 26, I was achievement oriented, I was improvement

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oriented, I was process driven, I was, I was definitely an achiever and

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I was driven and I had work ethic.

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What I didn't have was a self improvement focus.

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Not consciously.

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And so after 26 it was, Okay, listen, instead of achievement at the expense

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of fulfillment, I'm going all in on self improvement and I hope fulfillment

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and success will be a byproduct.

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And the key word was hope.

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Uh, and it wasn't.

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I was, I went from externally successful as hell and internally deeply unfulfilled

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to basically Externally unsuccessful as hell to super internally fulfilled,

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which it turns out is also not great because you can't sustain it.

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And so I went broke, liquidated all my assets.

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And eventually it's like, okay, I'm the best I've ever been, but

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yet I'm not actually successful.

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What is happening here?

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Successful in the economy, in the economy.

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And, and what, what brings success in the economy, I know you know this

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because you were in IT for a long time, what brings success in the economy is

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not necessarily what brings internal fulfillment, those are not always hand

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in hand, they do not walk hand in hand usually, they can, but it's very, very

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difficult, I mean think about it, if you have a hundred great ideas, what is the,

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what's the one that you really, really know will fulfill you the most, And what's

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the one that will make the most money?

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How often are those two actually the same?

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I always joke with Kev.

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I say we're selling kale outside a candy store, man No one will get self half.

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These people don't even want self improvement for free.

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Never mind pay for it, right?

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And so Um, it's it's not easy to start a self company.

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However, it's super fulfilling So find a way to turn your passion

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into profit and into purpose into profit passion is what do you adore?

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What can you never get away from?

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You and I talked for 40 minutes before this before hitting record 30

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minutes about self improvement health what we're going to do differently

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in 2025 Self improvement self improvement self improvement awesome.

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Awesome.

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Awesome obsessed and now purpose.

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How do you take your passion and help people with it

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profit?

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How do you get paid to help people with your passion?

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So passion is what are you obsessed with and if you don't like obsessed?

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What are you passionate about?

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Purpose is helping people with that.

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So I am obsessed with goals, metrics, habits, priorities,

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skills, and identity work.

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I'm obsessed with helping people achieve their goals and dreams.

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Okay, purpose, help other people achieve their goals and dreams,

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and achieve their true potential.

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Okay, profit.

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Nobody pays for self improvement coaching.

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I'll be a business coach.

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I'll help you grow your business.

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People pay for that.

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Awesome.

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But all it really is, is hey, if you want to grow your business, you're

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going to have to look at self,

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right?

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That's the funniest thing.

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Oh my gosh, Alan.

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Because I was, at that point, I, I, that's how I actually started

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looking at myself and admitting I, you know, Had unhealthy habits.

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I had unhealthy emotions.

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Like I knew that it wasn't great Alan, but it wasn't until I'm talking with

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a business coach and going, you know, the stuff you're telling me about

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business actually impacts me personally.

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Like, Why is that?

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It's like, well, it's all related to you.

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And so it was one of those that all that reflection kind of put me in a

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situation, much like we talked about.

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And what the problem was, it wasn't somebody else.

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It was me looking at myself in the mirror going, do you want to change?

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Or do you want to continue on this path?

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And, uh, you know, it's, it's still one of those, you get to make the choice.

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You're going to put yourself on a path, but, uh, dude, it, it impacts.

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And that's the thing I think we discredit.

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Is that who you are inside, like how you see yourself, how you show

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up, everything like that is not just going to impact your personal life.

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It's going to impact like your, your work life, regardless of how many hours you

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put in, you're still there in both areas,

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it's going to impact everything.

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I have a friend of mine from college, most of the friends of mine in college.

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I found the smartest people I could and brought them together.

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I taught them at a party.

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They taught me how to study.

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No, I'm joking, but I did do some of that.

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I think there's some truth to that.

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Uh, some of it I'm proud of some of them, some of them not, but ultimately

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very intelligent group of people.

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I mean, just computer engineers and we would do all nighters studying

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and they were, they were brilliant.

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And the truth is, some of them are still, like, not well

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developed at all inside, internal.

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They're, they're professionally developed, but they're not personally developed.

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And that has been very fascinating to me.

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I was professionally developed before 26.

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Resume, cover letter, LinkedIn, degree, MBA, pa pa pa pa pa.

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Math, science, technology, engineering, business, math, finance, got it, awesome,

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again, still need to get better, forever, but like, I had it, making tons of

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money, engineers, 21st century, awesome, personal development, was what was needed,

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I needed more personal development, I needed more emotional intelligence,

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cause the IQ thing came easy, it was the EQ part that was hard, and It We're

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all righty or lefty and we just want to use our dominant hand all the time.

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The problem is every strength comes with a weakness.

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So if you're professionally developed, you're going to have a great career,

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but you might end up divorced.

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And if you want to be happy, healthy, wealthy, and in love and

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fulfilled, you're going to have to get good at more than one thing.

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But in the economy, you don't have to be good at much more than one

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or two, maybe three things in order to be really, really successful.

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I mean, I know some friends from, from college that are all are

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multimillionaires and they're really not.

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Good at much more than like a couple things and and that's okay But I can

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guarantee you they're not holistically fulfilled and here's the problem if

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you're top And you can crunch the numbers on this if you're one in a thousand in

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health One in a thousand in wealth and one in a thousand in love, which is what

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i'm aspiring I want to be I want to be that I want to see what's possible And

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for those who believe in yourself a lot you're resonating for those who don't

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you think i'm an arrogant butthead?

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I understand Uh, but that's one in a billion one over a thousand times one

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over a thousand times one over a thousand That's one in a billion and there's only

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eight billion people on planet earth Just became eight billion like three or

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four months ago, right six months ago

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the chances of you being one in a thousand In all three of those,

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statistically speaking, is one in a billion, so it's exponentially harder.

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This is one of the reasons why a lot of CEOs, if you look at the divorce

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rates, they're already high, but if you look at the divorce rates of CEOs

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and founders, holy crap, way higher.

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If you, if you look at the divorce rates of CEOs and founders who got

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married in their early 20s, 90%.

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But that's why I was talking about the subset of a subset.

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It's, it's, if you're out there and you want to be fulfilled,

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you need to have fulfilling work.

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If you want to have fulfilling work, it has to be based on your

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passion, purpose, and profit.

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But that means you need to find the 10 most profitable things and,

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and the 10 things in that, that you actually enjoy that fulfill you.

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And it doesn't mean you're not going to have to do a bunch of other things

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you hate around it to make it work.

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And that's what.

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I think is really important for everyone to understand is that in order to

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live a life and design a life that you adore it's through crawling through a

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lot of mud to get to the higher ground and then you hear these people that

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you interview like I was watching an interview with Mark Randolph who founded

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Netflix and it was a powerful interview.

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But there's this sort of the meat, the iceberg piece a bit of, well, you're,

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you're only, you know, only one 10th of that interview was about Netflix

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when they were only making 5 million in revenue when they were 50 million

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in the whole, and they basically thought they were going to die.

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And Mark was, he didn't even say this, but I'm assuming he was

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having a really freaking hard time even just existing at that point.

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That's the and if it wasn't for

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I guess it's just really easy to see The healthy wealthy and love people without

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realizing that most of them are only one of those three things in real life Almost

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all of them are portraying better than it really is And you know every one of

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your inadequacies and you know, none of theirs I mean I tell kev I wake up in

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the morning and I feel like an absolute I i'm not I feel like there's so much more

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i'm and he's like, but dude, you're more dialed in than anyone I know it's like

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yeah, but I don't wake up in the morning thinking that Why would I go work on

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something that I think is already perfect?

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I said, I think I'm a mess.

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I mean, you asked me earlier, like, what's wrong.

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I just can't stop thinking about the mistakes I made in 2024 and

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what I'm going to do about them.

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And I don't mean mistakes as in I'm a horrible person.

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I mean, I cannot allow 2025 version of Alan to not change, iterate, improve,

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upgrade software, blah, blah, blah.

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I have so much I need to change in 2025.

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So let's, let's jump from there, Alan, because it's like.

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Dude, the feelings, the emotions, the thoughts.

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Those are all pervasive.

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They're more common.

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You know, you talked about almost like this Pinterest

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kind of, Hey, I see your life.

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I don't see all the stuff below the surface of that iceberg, right?

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I just see the good stuff.

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And then I'm measuring myself against it.

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And I know the whole iceberg and it doesn't measure up at all.

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So as you're getting ready for 2025, how are you looking at your life

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in 2024 and walking your clients through it instead of leaving?

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Like, oh, my gosh, I don't feel, uh, like I.

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Like I accomplished anything because the accomplishments seem to be one inch,

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whereas, you know, the things you fell short on or didn't achieve seem to be

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like a thousand yards, you know, each one.

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And so there, there's this gap, this difference between how

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they show up, how they feel.

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And we don't give enough value to, Hey, I did show up in these areas to be like

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that fuel that carries you through into 2025 when you're setting that stuff.

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So how are you reflecting on the things that you fell short on or that didn't

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occur, um, to, to have them be a positive impact and not an anchor holding you back.

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So I think we need the human mind needs to break things up.

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And so I think the 2024 version of Alan version of Mike is going to be

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very different than the 2025 version.

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Hopefully, unless you want to repeat the same.

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And so we're all trying to figure out Okay.

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What do we keep and what do we improve and what do we get rid of?

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I mean, those are the three questions.

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What do I keep?

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What do I improve?

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What do I get rid of?

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Persons, places, things, and ideas.

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And so the process that I'm taking myself and all my clients through, and

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I told you this a little bit behind the scenes, there's three things, three

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categories that I think I'm always trying to figure out, like where I'm Jeffin

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and Jeffin is a kind word of effing up.

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And, and, I do want to make this clear too, if, if anyone out there is

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struggling with self belief and self doubt, meaning you're doubting yourself,

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you've got to go with the 80 20 rule.

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So, I tell Kev all the time, I say, I'm sorry sometimes I'm so hard on

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you, but the things that are great about you don't need to change, so I

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just don't bring them up that much.

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Like, there's so much I could say that's awesome about Kev, but that's

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not usually what gets focused, because that stuff doesn't need to change, like.

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We don't have to work on you being on time.

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You're already on time every time, right?

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Congratulations.

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You're awesome.

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Let's move on.

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But for people who struggle with self doubt, you got to celebrate the

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wins you really do for those of you who don't struggle with self doubt.

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You just don't waste your time as much on the wins because that's

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not the stuff that needs to change.

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So, so if you struggle with self doubt, I want 80 percent wins, 20

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percent what you're going to do better.

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If you don't struggle with self doubt, and you feel like you're barely

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scratching your potential, I want 20 percent wins, whoop dee doo, Basil.

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And 80 percent what are we doing next year, baby?

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Let's go.

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Okay, and that's me So kev and I are separate different than that.

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So I I sat down with a client recently His name is andrew and we went through

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this exercise that i'm taking all my clients through which is andrew's

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2024 lessons top three lessons And in three categories, so nine lessons

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total and everybody can do this.

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It's very simple It's very powerful picture it like an iphone update.

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Okay, the iphone needs to update if you want it to get better Okay,

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so imagine instead of getting a new iphone What if you get a new you if

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you compare this iphone 14 to the very first 2007 steve jobs apple iphone?

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I mean that was a revolutionary breakthrough in 2007 compared

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to this iphone 14 It is absolute hot garbage terrible.

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And so hopefully 10 years from now you can say the same thing

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about yourself Hopefully you look back embarrassed like me

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Um, because that means you've improved a ton right so I think that's a really

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powerful thing And that's the duality too.

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You got to accept and love who you are now and then improve Usually we

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do one or the other you hate who you are and then improve but you never

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gain self worth You're never there.

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You're always striving never arriving dangerous been there.

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Okay, that's my tenancy other people self acceptance self

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love, but they never improve

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Yeah, dangerous.

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Listen.

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Yeah, you're great.

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Awesome.

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But if you celebrate big fish, small pond, you might wake up in 10 years and go,

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maybe I didn't put it all on the court.

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Maybe I didn't achieve my goals and dreams, right?

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So you got to do both.

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Okay, so the Andrews 2024 lessons for self.

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That's the first category is, and I'll give you an example.

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I am capable of reaching my potential when there's a system in place that I

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follow to a T. That was his Note to self.

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We reflected on 2024.

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Okay, what did you learn about yourself?

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I am capable of reaching my potential when there's a system

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in place that I follow to a T.

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The next category is people.

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What did you not understand about people in 2024 that you now understand?

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That's a good one.

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He wrote, I've come to realize that there's a lot more people

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who don't believe in themselves in society than I realized.

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And they're focused more on faking it until they make it rather than actually

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getting better And a lot of people have a fixed mindset not a growth mindset.

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Okay, that's One example of okay.

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Remember that

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next the world so it's self others in the world Those are the three things that

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you need to learn and need to learn well, and I was telling you off air Most of

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us are really good at one of the three and if you're not good at all three You

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basically are good with your queen and the chessboard But you don't know what

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the rook does and you don't know what the horse does So you you don't have

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a versatile and basically can't win at your own games And so in the world, he

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said there are a lot more like minded individuals globally than I thought You

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just have to find the right communities online And that was what he realized

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about the world is there actually are a lot of people into self improvement

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statistically there aren't uh, but There are people out there that are passionate

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about what you're passionate about.

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There's 5.

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85 billion people online and that number's increasing, baby.

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Starlink.

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It's not like back in the day where you're the only one who

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likes Dota or whatever it is.

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Uh, or Dungeons and Dragons back then.

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You, you can find people online now who love what you love.

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And so that's really cool.

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But to bring this home, that exercise in 2024, you make sure that you don't

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go into 2025 making the same decisions, because I think success and fulfillment

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comes from making great choices.

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But making great choices comes from making terrible choices

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and then reflecting on them.

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And so the goal is not to make perfect choices.

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There's no such thing.

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There is technically, mathematically, an optimal choice in every circumstance.

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That's why computers, humans at chess, because there is

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actually an optimal chess move.

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But good luck with that.

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Chess has a finite board with finite pieces.

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Imagine that in the world today.

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I mean, there is no optimal move.

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There's just less terrible ones or better ones, depending on

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what you want to frame it as.

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And so what did you learn in 2024 about yourself?

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What did you learn about others?

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And what did you learn about the world?

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And the reason that's important is because we're all kind of like a self driving car

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that needs an accurate current address, which is your self awareness, an accurate

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destination address, which is a goal.

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And an accurate update of the terrain if it thinks there's a road and it's

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actually a cliff The car is going to keep driving off a cliff and then blaming

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the world when in reality It's on us You can't control who's president, you

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can't control, you know, what country you were born in, you can't control

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who your parents were, but you can control what you do, what you say,

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what you think, what you feel, what you believe, you can control those things.

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You can control your focus, you can control your attention, you can

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control what you do and don't do, and you can control what you do and

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don't do about what's done to you.

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And so there's a lot of horrible things that I was, you know, I didn't It

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wasn't my fault my dad died, it wasn't my fault my stepdad left, but it's my

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responsibility to make a life out of that.

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And it's everyone's responsibility to make sure they're better in 2025 than they

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were in 2024, because ultimately that's the only way humans are fulfilled anyway.

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Uh, there's a book called The Art of Impossible by Stephen Cotler, and he

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talks about how Not striving for our true potential is bad for our biology.

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Complacency is bad for our biology.

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Now, we talked earlier, if all you ever do is grind, that's

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also bad for your biology.

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So there's a sweet spot between complacency And overdoing it, but none

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of us are anywhere close to overdoing it.

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We are capable of so much more than we are putting on the court.

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And that's why Olympic athletes keep that, you know, what we thought

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was a world record every year.

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Another, Oh, guess humans are capable of that.

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Oh, guess humans are.

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Holy crap.

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First, you know, first trillionaires coming.

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Oh, so we're capable of so much more than we realize, but it has to be incremental

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and it has to be based on these sort of.

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Yeah.

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And I think, you know, we're talking about reflection, right?

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And there's also then the goal making, Hey, what does the

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vision look like going forward?

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Um, I'm, I know for myself, Alan, it's one of those that I'm looking at it

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on a quarterly basis and assessing almost like I'm, I'm piloting a

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ship or captaining a ship, right?

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Steering that thing.

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I want to make course corrections along the way because yeah.

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Just like Andrew, you know, Andrew was like, Hey, when the system's

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in place, I'm doing well, dude, I have gone systems in place.

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I'm operating it.

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Things go well, forget the system.

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I'm enough, dude.

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I end up like 30 degrees off.

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It's like, where's your goal?

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Where's your process?

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I don't know, but I'm having fun and then it's not fun.

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And then it's like course.

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Correct.

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So I think, um, like for me personally.

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I'm revisiting it.

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I'm keeping like the why of stuff, what it is that I'm after the steps,

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you know, I'm visiting those like weekly, um, just still, so it stays

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fresh in my mind because otherwise the day to day comes in, clutters

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it up and it just becomes too much.

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And I never see it and don't revisit it.

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And then I'm coming to you at the end of 2025 and go, and what did you learn?

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I don't know.

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I just kind of coasted.

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I just drifted through.

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Yeah, exactly.

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So, um, you know, in order to avoid those things that I would love to

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say, I just read about them, but honestly, it's been, I've experienced

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it because my ego got in the way and I didn't stick with what was working.

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Um, How do you keep yourself because, you know, I mean, you've had that, that change

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right after, after the accident where it's like, I'm focused on the mission on the

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target on, um, my passion, how do you.

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Ensure that you're staying on point and true to like that goal Through like the

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day to day the week to week the month.

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How do you stay on track?

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Uh, the the funny playful answer is consistently have existential

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crises Um, yeah, no, no,

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no, well that's gonna get expensive in the cars there Alan and I like

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you you need to consistently well the way I see it too is The car accident

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changed my life because it got me looking at my life Uh, it, it, it

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gave me all the humble pie at once.

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And when we face mortality, we get all the humble pie.

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We get all the regrets.

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We get all the, no one's ever regretted.

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You know, I really wish I hadn't read so many self help books.

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Uh, I really shouldn't have exercised so often.

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You know, we get to, we face mortality and we lose a loved one, or we have a car

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accident, or we have suicidal ideation or whatever mortality, some form, we

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lose a That we adore and then we question our existence We question like am I

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that is the the one thing Because when bad things happen and you lose someone

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you love and you go to their funeral

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That's a very contemplative moment and I don't know if this is just a mean thing.

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I am an existentialist So i'm constantly contemplating but i'll tell you what

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it'll get you thinking and I went to uh, funeral last year 2023 my my uncle

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joe passed away and john was my father and my uncle joe It was the same church

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that my father's funeral was at, and I was only two of my father passed away.

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So this was like my father's funeral 2.

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0. My aunt, Joan Ann, lost two of her brothers, and she was the eulogy of hope.

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And I went back, there's this great, I think it's an Emerson quote where he says,

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We shall not cease from exploration, and at the end of all of our exploring, will

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be to return back to where we started, and to understand the place for the person.

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And it's a lot like, you know, in The Lion King, when he goes back to

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Pride Rock and realizes, Oh, okay.

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Everything's different than I thought.

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And he finally takes responsibility for, for who he is.

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Even though he's still acting like a cub around Scar.

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You know, he has to be the lion he's meant to be.

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And I think that's a good metaphor.

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That's why we love the play.

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That's why we love it on Broadway.

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That's why we love the movie.

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And that's why they keep remaking the movie.

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And now there's an impossible one that I can't wait to see, honestly.

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It's like, well, it's the same story the whole, I know.

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But it just gets us every time because it's who we are.

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We all need to take and own who we really are.

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So anyways, I'm, I'm at that funeral, and the last time I was in this church, I was

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like this little kid who, you know, grab and ring the bell, and, and now it's like,

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I'm this big six foot two guy, and is that the same rope?

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This church is a little smaller than I remember, you know?

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No, I'm a lot bigger.

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The church didn't change, I did.

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The book didn't change, you did.

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The movie didn't change, you did.

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You just didn't know before, right?

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So we see the world not as it is, but as we are.

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And so I went back to that same church, same, uh, cemetery, my uncle

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Joe was buried in the same cemetery, cremated in the same, and put in

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the same cemetery as my father, and everyone was there and we all drove.

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I ended up going to see, obviously, my uncle Joe, but then I went and saw my dad,

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you know, his grave, and I just, I just wept, but in a, in a, I had this moment,

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and I've never shared this on air before.

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At least not to this extent.

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I had this moment where I was in the church, at the funeral, and I was crying.

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Because I'm just, I don't,

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men have this weird thing where they like, keep it together, keep

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it together, keep it together.

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Oh yeah, keep it together.

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It's like, why are we doing that exactly?

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And I had this moment where I looked around, and I was definitely, uh, unglued.

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For lack of a better for emotional is very much

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and I saw everyone trying to keep it together

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and I had this momentum.

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I am the most emotional the most.

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I'm the most mess here.

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I'm I'm I'm a mess right now,

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but I'm at least Bert

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explain that one more.

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Like, what do you what do you mean by that?

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Alan?

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I relinquished the desire to keep it together

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and I cried a lot

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and then I went to see my dad's grave and I cried a lot there too.

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Even so much that my mom a few months after that said a few weeks I think after

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that actually not once she said I I was surprised how like you are you okay?

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You know, I was surprised how much that affected and I think

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it's it's less that and it's more I'm, not trying to hold it in.

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I don't think I was any more affected than anyone else I mean, yeah, of course

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because this is my dad's funeral 2.

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0. Um,

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but I just think that that would When I was 30, I started doing therapy

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And I started going back, and I started re watching the movie of my

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life, and I started analyzing it, and understanding it, and I started feeling

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it, and I started healing my trauma, and I started doing breath work, and

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I started understanding my wounds.

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And understanding my belief systems and understanding

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where what my conditioning and

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where I came from How that might have affected me and re watching the movie

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of my life over and over and over and over again some of it was painful some

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of it was Amazing and and all of it was mine And when you do that work,

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you aren't really trying to keep it together anymore.

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Instead, you just kind of are together.

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And you are more capable.

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You become more capable.

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You become more emotionally intelligent.

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You become more grounded.

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You become more whole.

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And when you become more whole, you're actually rarer.

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So socially, that actually is a mirror.

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And that actually makes it even harder to stay whole because

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now you're like the mirror and

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that whole process was really, really powerful.

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I think I've lost sight of what the overall point was, but what I would say

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is going to my father's funeral as an adult, it wasn't my father's funeral.

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It was my uncle Joe's funeral.

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But it was the same church, in the same setting, with the same person

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doing the eulogy, with the same people, and I wasn't there when I was two

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and a half, I was there, but I was two and a half, so I don't remember.

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And this time I got to attend, and it was my Uncle Joe and my dad's funeral, and

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I got to, I got to finally feel it all,

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see it all.

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And see it all clearly, and I changed after that.

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I don't know how I'm an engineer, so none of this makes sense.

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I changed after that.

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And now I'm not super concerned about keeping it together.

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I would rather just go get better, but knowing that it's okay to not be

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okay, and it's okay to also be awesome.

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yeah, it's a really good thing.

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I think,

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yeah, I think the part that is hard to grasp in that Alan for most

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guys, Is the freedom to be okay with not being okay in, in public.

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Right?

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Because we're so conditioned.

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We're told, keep it together.

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Like you talked about earlier, don't let the emotion happen.

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You sock it away.

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You know, you just bury those things.

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The problem becomes we bury and bury and bury, but we don't

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pull them up and deal with them.

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So the freedom of both being able to be, you know, how you felt and

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express it to just be yourself.

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I guess is the best way to put it and not be concerned with other people.

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Those are freedoms.

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I don't think many of us really grasp because we're so focused on what

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is somebody else going to think?

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And then how is that going to impact how I see myself if you're sitting there

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talking with somebody who's at that point of like, I don't get this,

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Alan, that's the scariest fricking thing that I can ever think of.

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What would you say is, Hey, this is actually the truest freedom and how you

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soar and who you are and become the most powerful man instead of the boy that

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we've all You know, felt like we are.

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How do you express that freedom that comes from it instead of the fear that

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so many of us have locked up in it,

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particularly for men.

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If you've ever watched young boys together, it's very alarming.

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They're all I was driving.

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We do books for babes.

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Emilia and I co host charity where we buy books every year and bring

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them to underprivileged schools.

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And it's yeah.

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It's unbelievably powerful and I guess this year so she drove them this year

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without without me and last year It was kind of like bring the boxes in we have

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little handwritten letters and it's really cute But we don't usually get to see the

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kids reactions Apparently this year it was oh my god Is this books for babes

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and she all saw all the kids and she did a video about it shoots basically tears

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Uh, I didn't get to see that this year, which i'm a little bit sad about I was I

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was working but the point that i'm making about that is One of the years that we

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were and this is where I went to college.

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Worcester Mass, massachusetts And it's not, it's not terrible, but

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there's some areas that are not good.

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Not great.

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Right.

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People suffering a lot of people.

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And going back from this sort of CEO, you know, our, my biggest problem

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today is so much better than there.

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And I, I started there too.

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Like I had, I mean, my worst problem today is, is not even a problem

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compared to where I came from.

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So it's very good perspective.

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You know, we show up in our Tesla and you know, our nice clothing and.

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I'm a ceo and my biggest issue is how do we hit a half million this

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year and all the stuff Uh, all my teammates are really bothering me Like

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it's just great problems to have and and I think we all need to remember

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where we came from I certainly do.

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And this is a reminder of that because I'm, I went to college here

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and I remember being broke as a joke and if I fail anymore, any classes,

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I'm screwed because I don't have, I can't afford to go to school, right?

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And so anyways, we're driving there and I remember I looked to my left because

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there's this big traffic light and there's these kids that are walking,

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three boys, and I'll never forget this.

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There's a pull up bar, like a bar that they, one of the

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kids starts doing pull ups on.

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And the other two kids could not celebrate him, all they could do is sit there

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and wait to show the other kid that they can do more pull ups than him.

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And it was like, almost to the point where they wanted to rip

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him off the bar and let me try.

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It was like, let me show you how much stronger I am.

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Than you and I just had this really i'm just sitting there going that is

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so toxic What imagine three little girls they probably would have been

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like, oh, let's see if we can do a pull up And then it'd be like, oh good

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job They'd be like lifting each other up and supporting each other and it

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would be so much more Collaborative and so much less competitive now.

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I'm a competitive guy.

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I get it.

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Okay friendly competition is awesome when you're a young man and you show emotion,

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particularly back in the day, I don't know if this is as bad now,, you get ripped on.

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I had one friend who told one story about how he was in the woods and

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he really had to go to the bathroom and he ended up going in a river

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and like using his hand to wipe and we, my friends called him poo hand.

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For the rest of high school,

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and we didn't realize that that was messed up because we

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didn't know that was so normal.

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We just call him Pooh Hand now.

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One of my other friends, we called Kankles, not we.

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I didn't participate in this.

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But like, I was bullied so much, and it affected me so

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much more than I know at all.

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Because when you're bullied, the last thing you want to do is let

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them know that it's getting to you.

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But behind the scenes, it's getting to them.

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It absolutely is.

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Way more.

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You feel weak.

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Because you're this prepubescent little freshman, and for some reason you can dunk

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a basketball at 15 and have a full beard, sir, and the teachers are attracted to

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you, you're a grown man, it's like going to high school with Chris Hemsworth, being

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like, what's wrong with me, you know,

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and then they're picking on you, so you already feel weak and prepubescent,

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then on top of that, if you show weakness, it gets worse, Now you not

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only feel weak behind the scenes, but now you look weak in public and then on

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not only that But all women are going through the phase of I want the bad

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boy, which is the dumbest idea ever They usually learn that the hard way,

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but no one knows the nice guy's the guy

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and so with this men Thing of never let them see you sweat.

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I like the bond movies, especially the ones with daniel craig My favorite scenes

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are the ones where he gets emotional.

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My favorite scenes are the ones where yeah, he's competent

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Yeah, he's well trained.

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Yeah, he's got to do what he's got to do and that's awesome But my

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favorite scenes are behind the scenes when he unglues when you see the the

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impact Of how that's affecting him

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and what it's actually taking deep down beneath the surface to like to actually

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be that competent and that strong And so unfortunately the people who feel

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weak act strong and the people who are actually strong Are okay with being seen

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as weak and that is a journey that I went through just like most men and The

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more you become strong in your real life, the less you have to try to act strong.

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Yeah, I think that kind of diametrically opposed exterior

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image, um, speaks a lot, right?

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The guys that are insecure acting overly confident.

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Um.

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And it's that portrayal.

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The thing to realize is the vast majority of guys have something

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that they're trying to mask.

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Um, it just varies how much it is.

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And the true freedom comes in when you're not wearing a mask and you're

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able to be you and the people, people are going to like you.

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People won't like you, but when you find those people that do like you for who

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you truly are, man, that is your tribe.

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That is like your band of brothers.

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Those are the ones that will people.

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Be the nitrous oxide that really helps you.

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We've talked about, you know, getting to our peak with those true other men

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around you that are strong, that, you know, Are actually in a healthy place

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to express how they feel, dude, sky's the limit you're, you're going to

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make, you're going to make a change that you never anticipated you would.

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And it's going to be exponential in just how it goes.

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So yeah, it's, it's a process to get there, but you're not

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worrying about how you show up.

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You know.

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Almost like a peacock, right?

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You just show up as you.

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It doesn't matter.

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Um, there's more freedom in it, um, to be you.

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And I think there's satisfaction that comes from just, Hey,

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yeah, I'm, I'm here today.

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You're not exhausted from showing up, remembering the lies and portraying them.

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Um, because you had kind of alluded to this earlier.

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It's like, when I came to family functions after I had started healing Alan.

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My family still expected me to be the same person I was, and I wasn't at all.

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And so it's almost like there's a play going on and everybody

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takes their roles, their place.

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They play that character.

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Well, you don't show up as that character.

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The rest of the rest of the people

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change.

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It's

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either that or you got to stop going

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and, and yeah, that's the truth of it.

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I mean, it's like you, you're at a point, a place where it's like,

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Hey, what's the point of this?

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Do I continue?

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Am I going to have, you know, what are my boundaries look like?

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Am I going to be a part of this?

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There's freedom in it.

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Um, but there's also the responsibility and the accountability that she's taken

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that Dude, Alan, you have given so much to think about, to process, to, you know,

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Be reflective of what our year has been like, and we don't have to wait, um, you

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know, for it to be January 1st or to be a Monday, you know, to be the 1st of the

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quarter today is the best day to take action and start looking at this stuff

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wherever you are, you know, getting that.

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Health check to say, here's where I'm at and all these areas, dude,

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and then it's like you can build like you talked about and be reflective.

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Hey, this is the thing I learned.

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You know, this is how I show up for myself.

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This is how I see people.

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This is how I see the world to be more reflective and aware and to

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work on, um, you know, being stronger in all three of the areas as well.

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So Alan, dude, I love it.

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Um, yeah.

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Let's go ahead.

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I want to give people the opportunity as well.

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You know, guys looking to reach out and connect with you.

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Um, let us, let us know what makes sense in reaching out because I mean, you've

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got the podcast side, you got the business side, you got the self improvement side.

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Let us know where it makes sense and then how to get in touch with you.

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If any, if anyone is in the market for a business coach, I, I'm not great at many

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things, uh, but when it comes to helping you align your goals, your metrics, your

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habits, your priorities, your skills, and your identity with the goals and dreams,

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and, and it's more of an uncovering process too, because I know a lot of

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people who think they want one thing, but actually need another, uh, that's my jam.

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It's my favorite work in the world.

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I do adore that.

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I love it.

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I only do coaching training and podcasting at the speed that

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this, uh, place in my career.

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I'm very grateful to have delegated everything else to amazing people,

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but business coaching is my number one priority for all of 2025.

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And so if you are interested, I currently coach 28 individuals, all

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different industries, all different backgrounds, all different run rates.

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Some are twice a week.

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Those are crazies.

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Do not start there.

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Uh, some are once a week, some are bi weekly, some are once a month.

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And we do metrics and habits and reports.

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And if you want some train tracks, these are my rules for success.

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Rule number one is stop the wrong trains for me.

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Alcohol needed to stop gone wrong.

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Train gone.

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Number two is start the right trains.

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My podcast, that's a right train.

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Great job.

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Number three is improve the right train.

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So improve the podcast.

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Make sure you're not doing the same thing.

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You're not, you're not, uh, you're improving.

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You're getting better.

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You're getting better at your craft.

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You're learning your listener also.

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And then the third one is never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever

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lose momentum, baby, never lose momentum, AKA stay on track.

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And that's what my coaching really is.

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It helps you set up the train tracks, stop the wrong train, start

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the right trains and prove the right trains and just stay on them

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because we all need some accountability.

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I thought I was productive until I got out of corporate and then

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I was all to my own devices.

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I was my own boss, Alan Lazarus LLC, what you'll never learn in

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school, but desperately need to know.

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That was the name of my company.

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Trying to get, uh, speeches at high schools and colleges.

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Worst tagline ever for that.

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And, uh, I realized I am not as productive as I thought.

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I don't have self discipline, I have been disciplined.

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Middle school, high school, college, corporate.

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It's you you gotta be class when the bell rings otherwise it's you gotta show up

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otherwise you get fired it's you so i didn't have the self when i was my own

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boss i didn't have the self discipline i've had to build that over the years

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and i help others build it and so if you need some extra accountability and you're

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early in business and you need some train tracks i'm your guy that's really i've

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been doing it for 10 years mentoring for 10 coaching for eight that's really

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what i'm doing more than anything i'm just creating customized train tracks

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that you It's my job to keep you on

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. And so if you're looking for a business coach And you want to be an entrepreneur

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and you want to be successful I've got you and that's my job to keep you successful

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aligned and fulfilled I would say I care about your success and your fulfillment

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more than your feelings It doesn't mean I don't care about your feelings.

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We just talked about feelings for guys I do care about your feelings, but I care

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about your success and your fulfillment more And sometimes i'm gonna have to hold

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up mirrors that might hurt your feelings So if you are humble and grateful and

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excited to learn and grow and reach your potential you're going to love me

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reach out alan at nextleveluniverse.

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com a l a n at nextleveluniverse.

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com And if you are ungrateful and entitled and want big rewards

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for minimal effort, please do not reach out under any circumstance

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well, i appreciate it my friend thank you so much for both episodes and to

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just sharing the way you have encouraging us and laying out hey these are.

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These are the ways you can find the success and get on the track.

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So I appreciate it, my friend.

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Thank you so much.

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Mike, it's been an honor and a pleasure and thank you for creating a safe

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space for men to be who they really are and be more whole because wholesome,

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wholesome men is what the world needs.

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Absolutely.

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Thank you, my friend.

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Living Fearless Today
Helping men live fully alive, boldly and courageously
Do you feel overwhelmed when making decisions? Struggle to take action in your personal life or career? Think you're alone in these situations? You're not! In fact, you're in good company. 
 
I'm Mike Forrester, host of the Living Fearless Today podcast. Join me as I interview other men who triumphed over their own adversities, learn how they did it and where they are today. So that whatever you're facing, know others fought the same battle and have conquered those challenges. They are now encouraging you and me to live our life boldly and courageously alongside them.
 
Let's disprove the lie that we're the only one who's going through this situation, that no one knows what it's like. You're not alone in the struggle you're working through. As men, we have more in common in our journey than you might want to believe.
 
Join me here each Tuesday for the interview and then again on Friday as I spotlight the lessons learned. How we can apply them to become the confident and courageous man we're wanting to be - for ourselves, our wife and our children.
 
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Mike Forrester

Mike Forrester is a men's transformation coach, founder of the Living Fearless coaching programs, and host of the Living Fearless Today podcast. His insights, methods and stories of overcoming childhood trauma, dyslexia and loss of loved ones have been featured on various podcasts, including Hanging Onto Hope, Extreme Health, Own Your Life Own Your Career and Think Unbroken.