Episode 411
Finding Purpose and Direction After Losing Everything with Roman L Binder
Life can throw unexpected challenges our way. How we respond to these setbacks often defines our journey and shapes our future. In this episode, I sit down with Roman L. Binder, a resilient entrepreneur who has weathered significant storms in his professional life.
Roman shares his inspiring story of building a successful nanotech company only to see it crumble during the pandemic. He shares about the emotional toll of losing everything and the difficult process of rebuilding not only his career, his life as a whole too. Through his experiences, Roman highlights the power of resilience, the importance of embracing change and the value of reframing our perspectives.
In this episode, you will be able to:
- Mastering the art of building resilience in entrepreneurship.
- Unveiling the impact of loneliness on mental health.
- Unveiling powerful strategies for overcoming business failure.
- Unlocking the benefits of journaling for personal growth.
- Embracing change and uncertainty in life with confidence.
The key moments in this episode are:
00:07:40 - Personal Journey and New Beginnings
00:14:41 - Impact of Habits on Productivity
00:26:12 - Embracing Challenges and Building Resilience
00:32:14 - Building Tenacity and Perseverance
00:36:16 - Capturing Good Ideas
00:43:47 - Impact of Surroundings on Decision-Making
00:45:50 - Loneliness vs. Being Alone
Connect with Roman L. Binder
Website
https://www.instagram.com/romanlbinder
https://www.facebook.com/romanlbinder/
Connect with Mike Forrester
Podcast Website
https://LivingFearlessTodayPodcast.com
Coaching Website
https://www.linkedin.com/in/hicoachmike/
Youtube
https://www.youtube.com/@hicoachmike
https://www.facebook.com/hicoachmike
https://www.instagram.com/hicoachmike
Transcript
Hello and welcome back my friend today.
Speaker:Roman L Binder is joining me and Roman's, uh, been a founder of Nanotech.
Speaker:He's an entrepreneur and he's traveling the world originally from Germany.
Speaker:He is now as today as we're talking, he is in Bali.
Speaker:And, uh, you can check out his social media, see what things look like there
Speaker:Guy is just, you know, having fun.
Speaker:I. Taking that adventure, that risk.
Speaker:And so today we're gonna get into talking about like, hey, when things happen,
Speaker:you know, whether it's your business or your job, when things don't go the way
Speaker:you're expecting and you may have to close your business, or you get laid off,
Speaker:how you know there can be that impact, you know, where it just hits you really
Speaker:hard, but how you can recover and be resilient in the midst of that challenge.
Speaker:We're gonna also talk about.
Speaker:Um, you know, when.
Speaker:Like your day-to-day, right?
Speaker:The things you do and don't do to stay in the place where
Speaker:it's healthier for you, right?
Speaker:May have been the stuff you did in the past, but that's not what
Speaker:defines you in the present time.
Speaker:The stuff that puts you in a better place to not have that anxiety, that depression,
Speaker:the loneliness, the purposeful things that you're doing in the day-to-day.
Speaker:So super excited to jump in with Roman and have these conversations.
Speaker:Roman, how are you doing today, my friend?
Speaker:I'm doing great.
Speaker:Thank you so much, Mike, for, for having me.
Speaker:It's such an honor to be here.
Speaker:I I really love the, the, the topics you, I, I saw your, your podcast about,
Speaker:about the resilience and, and about, um, taking on the, the, the fight right.
Speaker:To, to, to get to the other side of, of, of.
Speaker:Challenge.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And so yeah, this is really something that resonates and I, I, because I
Speaker:have my personal take, like my personal story, that is also very much a,
Speaker:well, it's especially the last three, four years have been, um, profoundly
Speaker:well difficult and but also.
Speaker:Well, now I can say that now.
Speaker:It's been, it.
Speaker:Now it's, um, for now I, I, I look at it now as we, there's this hope
Speaker:element back because now I'm, I'm on a good, on a good, on a, I feel like
Speaker:deep inside that I'm gonna, I'm on a good track back to where I should be.
Speaker:But yeah, it's, um, it's those moments that define us, right, how we respond
Speaker:and how we, how we take on these, these, these struggles and hardships.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And, and there's definitely been some of that where it's like, you know, I've
Speaker:known other guys, Roman, where what they've faced, if they're in a situation
Speaker:similar to yours, they may have been, Hey, this is just fatal, this is final.
Speaker:They kind of resigned themselves to that situation.
Speaker:And while you've gone through, you know, the, the dark and hard
Speaker:stuff, man, you have kept at it.
Speaker:And I think that's what.
Speaker:Most of us as guys are looking to see, and we often don't hear about is the
Speaker:struggle that one another goes through.
Speaker:But pushing through, right, and being able to experience where you're at now
Speaker:instead of just being, um, you know, staying in that, that dark place,
Speaker:the low place, and uh, just kind of.
Speaker:Pulling away from everybody you've continued to push and, and that
Speaker:I think is what really more of us need to understand that's available.
Speaker:I don't even think that I, I had, I mean, there's layers to this.
Speaker:there's people who lose a leg or they have some really problem,
Speaker:real problems with health issues.
Speaker:And, and that's the, that's, that's the way I, I never had any of that.
Speaker:So I just lost all my, all my money in my company.
Speaker:But, um, compared to someone who has.
Speaker:Lost the ability to, I don't know, walk or have doing extra, doing
Speaker:some workout that that's way worse.
Speaker:So com I compare, IUI like to compare myself to people that actually
Speaker:have really like the, the, the, the, the, the biggest problems.
Speaker:And, and, um, this is more way more of a, um, uh, painful than
Speaker:any of what I had experienced.
Speaker:That's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker:No, I get it.
Speaker:And yeah, those challenges are unique to each of us, you know, so I get that.
Speaker:Well, Roman, let's jump in.
Speaker:Like what do, what is today?
Speaker:What is the per the professional side of things look like for you?
Speaker:What are you doing business wise?
Speaker:I, um, I'm a, I'm a business consultant.
Speaker:I, I, I consult other founders, business owners and entrepreneurs, and also I help
Speaker:them to, I have a ghost writing agency, like a marketing agency where I, I create
Speaker:their content, I write their newsletters.
Speaker:I build.
Speaker:Email courses for them, basically to, um, most entrepreneurs have
Speaker:some problem in, they, they need more, they need customers, right?
Speaker:Obviously they need leads.
Speaker:And so that, that's why I come in and I use storytelling.
Speaker:I use, I use my, um, writing skills that I ac I've acquired over time
Speaker:and my knowledge as an entrepreneur with 16, 17 years of experience.
Speaker:Um, because.
Speaker:Guess what?
Speaker:All of these things you go through because, and the, the entrepreneur
Speaker:life is, and you might have diff, there's different companies, right?
Speaker:They have different operations and all of that.
Speaker:But the core of it, like the leadership aspects and the how do you, the decision
Speaker:making and it's, it's pretty much the same for all of, for all of us.
Speaker:It's not, there's not so much different.
Speaker:It becomes, um.
Speaker:Different, the bigger it gets.
Speaker:Yes, there's o other kinds of challenges you face, but in business it's really, it
Speaker:all comes down to personal responsibility and who you are as a leader.
Speaker:And because your, your company is just a reflection of yourself
Speaker:and, and that translates into every single part of your company.
Speaker:And so when you go through a lot of problems and you,
Speaker:and you have overcome like.
Speaker:Challenges like I have, then this also gives you a lot of power and
Speaker:experience, and so now I understand that I can use that and help other people.
Speaker:That's basically what I do.
Speaker:Mm, yeah.
Speaker:And dude, the, the writing that you've done, like on your own blog,
Speaker:we'll get into one article that you posted that I read through and
Speaker:I was like, yeah, this nails it.
Speaker:So the.
Speaker:The application, how it can be used, it's all there.
Speaker:And so, um, the, the writing is super powerful and applicable.
Speaker:Um, which, you know, hey, that's, that's what we need.
Speaker:I need to be able to understand, read and, and know how to have something to
Speaker:help me through the challenge I'm facing.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:So, well, let's.
Speaker:Let's talk about on the personal side.
Speaker:Right now you're in Bali, uh, you've been in Srilanka not too
Speaker:long ago and the Philippines.
Speaker:So what does the personal side look like for you now?
Speaker:Yeah, I've chosen Bali as a new home for now.
Speaker:I, I guess I have to go back to give you the whole pic to give
Speaker:you audience, the whole picture where I, where I'm coming from.
Speaker:So I was born and raised in Germany, right?
Speaker:So, uh, the first 20 years of my life, I lived in Germany, grew
Speaker:up there, finished high school.
Speaker:Military service or social service.
Speaker:And then went to Mexico.
Speaker:And then in Mexico, I, um, spent 20 years there.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:Almost 21, which, uh, that's, it was not intentional at the beginning.
Speaker:I went, I went there on a holiday and then with friends, and I
Speaker:got made another friends, and I thought, Mexican women are hot.
Speaker:And then, you know, and then what happened is then I, um, when I went to
Speaker:business school in a German's business school, and then I was hired, and
Speaker:then 2007 founded my first company.
Speaker:My nano, my nanotech startup, this is, was a joint venture with a German company
Speaker:and then, and that grew to a seven eight figure business.
Speaker:And 2020, I had basically op operations in all the Americas, like south and
Speaker:north and with distributors all over the place, over a hundred distributors.
Speaker:And so it was a big, was actually, and then all it, and then suddenly it,
Speaker:it all collapsed during the pandemic because I. Well, I could go into
Speaker:that, but this is, there were so many layers to that, to to, to profile.
Speaker:I guess I'm just gonna give you the overview.
Speaker:And then after that, when I lost it, um, 2021, then I got back to Germany.
Speaker:I had to leave Mexico because literally left with nothing to my name, uh,
Speaker:um, except for a piece of luggage.
Speaker:And then I got back to Germany and I said, okay, two, I spent two months in Germany.
Speaker:My parents live there, right?
Speaker:And I said, okay, no, uh, not gonna do this here.
Speaker:So I had Cho had choice, right?
Speaker:Even you gonna take a job or I, what are you gonna do?
Speaker:Because I'm also a photographer in, in Mexico.
Speaker:I had a gallery lost that too.
Speaker:I thought, okay, but you do know how to do good.
Speaker:Take good photos, and maybe you can check.
Speaker:Because I was in this process of not knowing what to do now.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:Because I had, because for me before that, I actually was convinced that
Speaker:my mission on this planet was to revolutionize the industry with nanotech.
Speaker:Because I thought nanotechnology was such a powerful invention and that we could
Speaker:literally change the course of humanity.
Speaker:I was really convinced of that.
Speaker:But I, when I, when that was gone and I was like lost in the ether and I did not
Speaker:know, okay, what, who are, what are you, what, what, what, who are you right now?
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:So what are you gonna do?
Speaker:So I tried photography, didn't sell any prints, so was I was
Speaker:really in a bad, so no money.
Speaker:Uh, I had like a thousand dollars left and I said, okay, I spent 800 off those.
Speaker:And when the one way ticket to Thailand.
Speaker:I got some skills and I started to monetize my, my, um, um, like
Speaker:teaching other people tutoring on a, on a, on a, and so, and then, but
Speaker:I was still trying different things like drop shipping and, and didn't
Speaker:resonate and didn't like it at all.
Speaker:Started hotel photography.
Speaker:I got some, I did some, some bigger hotels in Bangkok and in Spain.
Speaker:But I didn't like the, the work, and it's, it was just another way
Speaker:of changing my time for money, which is not what I wanted at 44.
Speaker:And, and then also I lost the passion for it.
Speaker:It, it killed the passion, my passion for photography, because my
Speaker:passion for photography stemmed from.
Speaker:The spiritual side of going into nature, experiencing that balance that would give
Speaker:me in the past from the entrepreneurship life I had, so it was this, photography
Speaker:was like for me, like a meditation.
Speaker:When you go into nature and you just appreciate things and then
Speaker:you capture it, this is what it is.
Speaker:For me, when it got into hotel photography, it became a different story
Speaker:and I didn't like it at all, so I quit.
Speaker:And then, and then by the end of 2023, which is only a year and a half ago, I
Speaker:can't believe how recent that actually is.
Speaker:I started writing Right.
Speaker:Because I, I, um, I, I knew, I knew I was, I was good at, um, I'm good at languages,
Speaker:so naturally I'm a talented, uh, good.
Speaker:I can, I can, I do well with, I mean, English and German.
Speaker:Spanish and Portuguese.
Speaker:So, but English writing was a new skill I had to learn.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:So because it's different to just have a conversation now like we do, but, uh,
Speaker:crafting a, a compelling stories and is, or, or, or even ha uh, learning how to
Speaker:use effective copy is, uh, for, let's say for sales or copywriting for let's, this
Speaker:is a whole, this isano another ball game.
Speaker:Um, but so I learned that first I start, started my newsletter.
Speaker:Which is, which I'm still, this is what I'm still doing today.
Speaker:I'm building a newsletter business as I move forward with
Speaker:my business consult consultations.
Speaker:And when I started that, I still, I first tried to use just what, what,
Speaker:what was on my mind with basically was also like processing and coping with all
Speaker:the trauma that I had had accumulated during that bankruptcy process,
Speaker:which was this two or three year, uh.
Speaker:Process where I lost everything because I was struggling to actually save, I was
Speaker:trying to save the company for such a long time and, and then I just started
Speaker:to write every Friday to my younger self.
Speaker:And this got into, this is what it is today.
Speaker:It's, uh, now it, I started out, it, it started as the uncharted road because
Speaker:I literally did not know where I was headed and, and, and during, yeah.
Speaker:So that's why I thought, okay, the uncharted road is a good name because
Speaker:I don't know what I'm, mm-hmm.
Speaker:What I'm actually doing and where I'm headed.
Speaker:So, and now I just rebranded it to the nomad, CEO, uh, because I know,
Speaker:I know what I'm doing and who I'm serving because I've, I, I just
Speaker:understood that you always, you're not gonna stop being an entrepreneur.
Speaker:You just have to find a new mission.
Speaker:That's all it is.
Speaker:So, so, and, and that's where this, this real realization came through
Speaker:the writings and through Yeah.
Speaker:And, and in the last two or three years.
Speaker:This, I was this digital nomad basically that went to Thailand.
Speaker:And from Thailand I went to, uh, uh, many different, like, went to
Speaker:Philippines, Vietnam, um, Malaysia.
Speaker:I went to Indonesia and, um, Sri Lanka you mentioned where also, so that,
Speaker:that's why I've been doing the, I've been traveling all over the place, but
Speaker:now I'm, I feel like, well, this was just recently, like two months ago.
Speaker:I said, okay, you know what?
Speaker:I'm gonna, I'm not gonna continue this nomad life because I wrote about
Speaker:this extensively because I have some downsides to this nomadic experience.
Speaker:So productivity issue, that's one issue because you, the, the, the
Speaker:thing of changing location all the time, it has a really adverse,
Speaker:uh, impact on your productivity.
Speaker:Because, because we are Just, because, because you are, have you, have you
Speaker:read the book about, um, atomic habits?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So one of his, one of the rules, James Clear outlines in the book is that
Speaker:make it easy, make it easy, requires you to have a, like a, like a, a,
Speaker:a, very, like, you need to be able to execute your, your daily habits,
Speaker:which is the, which is where we are getting also into the, into the topic.
Speaker:Where you mentioned before is like.
Speaker:What is it that you actually have in control under your own?
Speaker:What, what do you control and what do you not control?
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:You can control the input and the input is largely defined by the habits you
Speaker:execute every day that you, that you know you have to do in order to get
Speaker:where you go, where you wanna get, right?
Speaker:So the things you need to do every day so it can compound into.
Speaker:Into, into whatever it is that you're building, right?
Speaker:So, and so for me, it, I just found out that, okay, so all that, um, and this is
Speaker:like the basic, even like the workout.
Speaker:So changing your location requires, okay, now I have to find a new gym.
Speaker:Where, where is it?
Speaker:And this is a problem because it really, it, it's, it's those small decisions or
Speaker:you have to use brainpower energy to, to, to, to, to think about that stuff.
Speaker:And this, it impairs your, your whole.
Speaker:Productivity because now instead of focusing on the project you are on,
Speaker:you now have to think about, okay, how, where do I find the laundry?
Speaker:Where do I find the next gym?
Speaker:Where do I find the, um, uh, there's, and then, yeah.
Speaker:And so what, the other topic you mentioned was loneliness.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Spirituality is the answer.
Speaker:I guess for me.
Speaker:It has been the, uh, uh, spirituality is mean.
Speaker:I mean, meditation.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And um.
Speaker:I do breath work to work with that.
Speaker:Sometimes I am, I have to admit, sometimes it's lonely.
Speaker:It is.
Speaker:But I was used to that because when I was an entrepreneur, when I was a CEO
Speaker:of my first company, it's also lonely up there because the reality is that
Speaker:when you're in that position, so, um.
Speaker:It, it, it's, it's, yeah, you can have, and, and when, when you lose
Speaker:things, when things fall apart, when you, when things implode, then you
Speaker:also realize that yes, there's only a very few people that stick with you.
Speaker:It's also true.
Speaker:I. Just the reality.
Speaker:This is the saying that when you lose, when, when, when, when the
Speaker:hits the fan, then um, you can count your friends with one hand.
Speaker:It's so true.
Speaker:It's, it really is.
Speaker:It's just the reality.
Speaker:Most, most what, most, most, um, most friendship do not endure crisis.
Speaker:That, that when you have in a personal crisis, you, you, you, I mean maybe
Speaker:this is different for some other, it was not for me, I had two or three
Speaker:people that were reaching out and.
Speaker:Looking after me, but it's okay.
Speaker:I, and then, and then, yeah.
Speaker:So that is, that's was, that's basically my story.
Speaker:And now I'm just, uh, I'm in a good place now emotionally again,
Speaker:and, and I'm very positive.
Speaker:I'm optimistic.
Speaker:I have, just this week I've got new clients focusing.
Speaker:I'm focusing on the US market because I think my home country
Speaker:is in a very bad, um, state.
Speaker:I, I, I, we.
Speaker:Um, not very smart people, and they're destroying the country to
Speaker:the point where it's collapsing.
Speaker:I mean, so I'm not focusing on Germany.
Speaker:Um, I'm, I'm focusing.
Speaker:I, I'm, I'm.
Speaker:I'm focusing on, on, on where I think the growth will happen.
Speaker:And it's definitely not Germany.
Speaker:It's, it's the us It's, um, and so, and so I'm also, I also like, I,
Speaker:I'm also like more this American mindset of how this, this, um,
Speaker:bigger, better.
Speaker:Stronger.
Speaker:I like that.
Speaker:I'm just, I like it.
Speaker:It's just, it's, it's something I, I can relate with and so I, I.
Speaker:I wanna be part of it, even though I'm not living in the us I, I, I also consume a
Speaker:lot of American media instead of German.
Speaker:And so, yeah, that's me.
Speaker:So let's kind of go back, Roman, and, and you know, it's like you
Speaker:talked about being in Mexico, um, you're building this business, it's
Speaker:getting to seven and eight figures.
Speaker:Man, that is a, a certain kind of life, right?
Speaker:And then like you talked about in 2020, it's like things totally changed.
Speaker:How did you.
Speaker:How did you find the resiliency to handle things as it's changing or was
Speaker:it something that it's like, you know, it's like a rollercoaster, right?
Speaker:The bottom just kind of dropped out.
Speaker:I mean, what, what was life like during that, you know, kind of transition
Speaker:when things, um, didn't go the way as, as you had thought and expected?
Speaker:Oh man, this is such a difficult question.
Speaker:There is no good answer to, I mean, it's, it, I, um, and I'm not gonna lie, I didn't
Speaker:make, I didn't, I, I, I, I don't think I made a a good, I didn't ha I had any,
Speaker:I, I just, it was just, um, horrible.
Speaker:It's just, I don't know when you, this.
Speaker:I can't even, I, I don't even know where to start, but the, the,
Speaker:again, money is just one part of it.
Speaker:It's just more, it's more this, the, the thing what you, it's what you think of
Speaker:yourself is what mo what matters most.
Speaker:This is really, because that's where the depression comes from.
Speaker:That's where the anxiety comes from and it's really hard to tell
Speaker:yourself in looking yourself into your, into the mirror and say.
Speaker:After something like that happens and then you say, oh yeah, you're good.
Speaker:You, you're gonna, it's really, it's just not, you don't, it
Speaker:doesn't sound credible, you know?
Speaker:And so when you're not, when you're in a position where you don't even, when you,
Speaker:when you question your ability to, to, to handle the situation and then still see
Speaker:like through the mist and, and, and light.
Speaker:At the other side of the tunnel, if, if you can't see the, the light at
Speaker:the other side, it's uh, it's hard.
Speaker:It's just hard.
Speaker:And then what I can tell some, uh, uh, like your audience out there
Speaker:who's in a, in a similar place might, might be in a similar position where,
Speaker:where it's just, it feels hopeless.
Speaker:Just hang is just hang in there.
Speaker:Just try to try to do those things that give relief that you know they're
Speaker:not gonna be negative on your health.
Speaker:Like for example, for me there was breath work.
Speaker:Like I do, there's this Wim Hof method that is a me.
Speaker:It's like a breathwork.
Speaker:It's really, if it is effective, it will not erase the problem or
Speaker:not eliminate all your problems.
Speaker:But it gives you like this, this, uh, few hours of calm state.
Speaker:That you can all the, the meditation things running, like go out,
Speaker:run, running, like the best, one of the best, uh, antidotes to
Speaker:depression is definitely workout.
Speaker:So I have, it's three years now that I have not touched alcohol.
Speaker:I do not.
Speaker:Before I had, I, I, I have to say this, I had had, I've had some.
Speaker:Substance abuse issues in the past where, um, before I, at very young
Speaker:age, 1670, I did a lot of like partying and that got in, got me
Speaker:into being used to consume alcohol.
Speaker:And that's when problems arose later on in my life that became also like
Speaker:this, like it was this silent was not, I was never like this, you know, full,
Speaker:full on alcoholic, but I, I used.
Speaker:In the past drugs to artificially pump myself or, uh, push
Speaker:myself into better states.
Speaker:And then when things got difficult later on, then, then I abused of, and
Speaker:then, and that turned into a problem.
Speaker:And then when I re, when my company imploded, then.
Speaker:It become into it, it become a, a much bigger problem.
Speaker:So I'm clean now, but what I'm trying to say here is that the, the, just the
Speaker:things you control are these things you're gonna, you put into your body
Speaker:and you, what do you, and then what are you gonna do with your body?
Speaker:Because the physical aspects of it is really important
Speaker:because it affects your mind.
Speaker:So, so reminding yourself that you can, you control the amount
Speaker:of exercise you do every day.
Speaker:You control.
Speaker:The, the conscious effort to take, make a decision that at this mor, this time
Speaker:in the morning, I'm gonna do some, even if it's just 10 minutes of meditation.
Speaker:And you do control that.
Speaker:If you know that in the 5:00 PM you're getting anxious, you, you don't even
Speaker:know why, because you're getting this, this feeling of, oh my God,
Speaker:it's just over, it's, I'm overcome.
Speaker:It overcomes me right now.
Speaker:Then just.
Speaker:Figure that out and then schedule it into your, into your day, like
Speaker:6:00 PM Do your breath work, right?
Speaker:So this is stuff you can, you do control and then don't over.
Speaker:That's just not overthink, not, not fantas, not not just be a remind yourself.
Speaker:Become aware of the, of this habit of going back into the past, which
Speaker:is not helpful at all because it will tra trigger the, the painful.
Speaker:Events in the past that have, because those are emotional triggers that,
Speaker:and then you get all these, the, the whole, the full nine, like the
Speaker:full doses of, uh, yeah, because this is just how the mind works.
Speaker:And then also it's also not helpful is to fantasize too much about the future.
Speaker:It's just trying to get, become more present is really
Speaker:the answer to all of this.
Speaker:Become more present.
Speaker:Um.
Speaker:And, and lean into the pain because the more they do that, the more
Speaker:you don't walk away from it.
Speaker:The, the, the, the faster it will, it will go away.
Speaker:The, it's really the, it's, and this is something is con counterintuitive
Speaker:because most people, we just try to distract ourself from the pain.
Speaker:We just wanna walk away from it.
Speaker:We just don't want to experience it.
Speaker:We hate the anxiety and it's understandable because it's terrible.
Speaker:But there is a way to lean in.
Speaker:It's just it, and then when you do, then it's, it's, it's, it
Speaker:just, it's, it is temporary.
Speaker:It, it, it goes away.
Speaker:And then you just, just remind yourself that the way you are, the
Speaker:position you are in right now is not necessarily the position you are in
Speaker:in six months if you do your work.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:um.
Speaker:From the situation, being aware of it being present because you'd written in
Speaker:one of your blogs, like talking about.
Speaker:Uh, the very end in 2021, where it was like stuff was out of your control.
Speaker:It's like you'd done everything you could correctly, but there's stuff
Speaker:outside of your control and there is, whether it's entrepreneurial, whether
Speaker:it's, you know, hey, your career or your personal life, there's stuff
Speaker:that is, you know, it just happens.
Speaker:Um, two different sentences, which touch on.
Speaker:One of the hardest lessons of your entrepreneurial journey.
Speaker:Um, you can do everything right and still lose.
Speaker:And then you'd also written, looking back, one truth that came clear.
Speaker:Success is not all about execution.
Speaker:It's about embracing what you can't control.
Speaker:And I, I think we have so much been.
Speaker:I'm kind of taught to expect if I grind and I work hard, then you know, I'm,
Speaker:I'm going to, to, you know, just kind of as a default get to where I want.
Speaker:But that doesn't mean that there's not gonna be those challenges like you faced.
Speaker:Um, how in hindsight now do you see that, like embracing.
Speaker:The challenge, how can you truly embrace the challenge, um, rather than
Speaker:like that pain avoidance to kind of accept it and then move through it?
Speaker:How, what's like the best route to that Roman?
Speaker:I, I, well, I think what, what's, what's what works very well of, at
Speaker:least for me, is this, it's just this continuous, uh, reframing of things.
Speaker:You can, you can look at things always from a different perspective.
Speaker:You just need to find a different angle and to know that this is what
Speaker:I'm actually writing or I'm publishing today in my, in my newsletter,
Speaker:which is, is, uh, the six signs of.
Speaker:You are on the right track to success, right?
Speaker:So, you know, there's subtle, subtle signs that point you towards success and
Speaker:resilience and be the ability to, to, um, endure struggles, hardships, um, difficult
Speaker:situations is one major pillar of success.
Speaker:It's the, it's that one muscle that needs to be there for,
Speaker:that every, every successful person on this planet has built.
Speaker:There's no, no one.
Speaker:Just remind yourself of no one.
Speaker:Not, not, not one of those exce successful people out there have,
Speaker:have achieved what they have achieved without the resilience muscle.
Speaker:And resilience just does not build without struggle.
Speaker:It's just a part of it.
Speaker:Just look at the struggle as the one thing that you needed this you had,
Speaker:you had to unlock this resilience.
Speaker:Part of yourself where you prove to yourself that you more, that you're
Speaker:more capable and that you can endure it because you needed that in your,
Speaker:on the, the bigger picture is just, this is just one building block of
Speaker:your, of your, of the, of the person you're gonna become in the future.
Speaker:In what, whatever Jo Journey you are on,
Speaker:is there.
Speaker:Any way to, you know, like, just like you talked about earlier, going to
Speaker:the gym, you're building your muscles.
Speaker:Is there any way to build like that resilience muscle when things are
Speaker:going well or is it only built when you're facing those challenges?
Speaker:Uh, this is an excellent question.
Speaker:The, the reality is I think it's only possible when, when you have.
Speaker:Mm. Real horrible, negative emo uh, moments.
Speaker:This is just because life is like, is like binary, like this
Speaker:dual, dual duality of life, right?
Speaker:There's good and bad.
Speaker:There cannot be good without the bad.
Speaker:So, so the only way that you stand out and that you become
Speaker:some exceptional or, or, um.
Speaker:Is that there's also must, by definition it, the the opposite has to exist as well.
Speaker:So it's just not one thing cannot exist without the other.
Speaker:And so in order to be become excellent, you have to go
Speaker:through the deep, the opposite.
Speaker:It's just not the, there are always, this is part of the same coin, right?
Speaker:It's the same.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So look at, if you look at it like that, then it's becomes more, it's
Speaker:easier to, it's easier to accept.
Speaker:We all go through these struggles.
Speaker:It's just a different, you choose, you can only choose which, which
Speaker:road you go, but you all at the end of the, there's always one.
Speaker:And, and again, if I have to, if you ask me.
Speaker:About my struggles.
Speaker:I, I'm, I, I would say I'm actually lucky because I did not lose any
Speaker:limbs or, or, or I didn't, I didn't ha I don't have any health issues.
Speaker:I'm healthy.
Speaker:I can go to the gym, I can build my body and I'm on it.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:So the game is on.
Speaker:As long as I have health, I can go, I can do, yeah.
Speaker:So, so I'm in a privileged position.
Speaker:Rather than in a, in a even money is just, it's just, um, and a consequence
Speaker:of doing the right things, things over a considerable, um, amount of time.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's like the money can be rebuilt and it may come or go, but as long as you're
Speaker:able to show up, um, that's the big thing.
Speaker:And.
Speaker:Not expecting that it's gonna necessarily be like this linear climb, but that
Speaker:it's like, hey, there may be some challenges that create valleys and
Speaker:it's, it's an unexpected journey, right?
Speaker:The, yeah.
Speaker:The route there may, may hold a bunch of surprises for us.
Speaker:Well, it
Speaker:definitely has.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's, um,
Speaker:yeah,
Speaker:it's where.
Speaker:The, it's, this is, this is the re This is why the, the journey
Speaker:is called here the Hero's Journey.
Speaker:Because you are on a, you are on a continuous he hero's journey.
Speaker:Your life is a hero's journey.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:Excuse me.
Speaker:Um, so how are you building like tenacity or perseverance to continue on?
Speaker:Because we're talking about like this.
Speaker:This journey that isn't straight and it's not going the way we expect.
Speaker:How do you continue to, um, you know, sometimes it can be mundane and just
Speaker:kinda like, all right, I'm not, I'm not seeing what I expect in the day-to-day.
Speaker:How are you continuing to build and push forward, you know,
Speaker:whether it's business or personal?
Speaker:How do you continue towards your goals, um, when it's, you
Speaker:know, got that longer timeframe.
Speaker:Yeah, so there's a few, a few things you can do to keep yourself on track.
Speaker:One, one, another one.
Speaker:One thing that is really helpful is also like, be wary a very, um, um,
Speaker:like, um, don't discard the, the small wins like the, the small wins that
Speaker:those are, those are the small wins that, that, that, that might not be.
Speaker:Newsworthy, but, but they add up to, to some bigger achievement.
Speaker:The small wins like that.
Speaker:You, I don't know.
Speaker:This couldn't be anything like if, if you haven't, if you are procrastinator
Speaker:or something like that, and just, just noting that you haven't been doing
Speaker:that, you, you've been on your project, stuff like that, that's just right.
Speaker:Journaling is really helpful too, because you can journal this, this,
Speaker:um, I'm, I've been journaling for.
Speaker:Also three years.
Speaker:And then it's, um, it's very helpful to to have the, the, the, your mind
Speaker:just to, in the morning, you drop, you, you dump all of your, your mind
Speaker:of what you're thinking, and then just remind yourself of the two or three
Speaker:things you wanna achieve that day.
Speaker:And then keep track of it, like the habit tracking.
Speaker:And so those are things you can do that can help.
Speaker:Um, there's another practice you can u there's, um, it's
Speaker:like, this is from another guy.
Speaker:It's an American author.
Speaker:I wrote a book's, his name is called, um, Matthew Dicks.
Speaker:And he wrote a book called Story Worthy, which is really cool.
Speaker:It's, he has this one, um, habit of.
Speaker:Writing down your, he calls it homework for life, and it's basically that in the
Speaker:evening before you go to bed, you just remind yourself, okay, what was, what
Speaker:is the one thing that stood out today?
Speaker:Anything there could, could be anything.
Speaker:Like some, I mean, I don't know, maybe you had a.
Speaker:Conversation with a person you did not expect or that stood out, or you
Speaker:had some moment where you remembered something about, uh, it could be anything.
Speaker:Just write it down, just one or two sentences.
Speaker:And when by doing that, you, you start accumulating like this, uh, library
Speaker:of story worthy things that you can, because, because when you craft stories
Speaker:for later, if you write, I mean, this is.
Speaker:If you're not into writing or, or, or some form of content,
Speaker:it's probably not that important.
Speaker:It, it can still be, um, rewarding I think because going back in time and
Speaker:about the things that stood out is always rewarding if, if done properly.
Speaker:But it, it's really helpful if you wanna craft stories because the big stories,
Speaker:the good stories, they always have these little things, not so much, it's not
Speaker:about this huge, you know, uh, what, um.
Speaker:Nobody cares about your, your where you went or what you did, what you, what, what
Speaker:great things you did or who you, it is about those small, uh, insights or these,
Speaker:these, these emotional mo It's the little things that, that make the difference.
Speaker:I don't know how to say that.
Speaker:It's, um, but I get, you get, you get the point, right?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Um, and, and I think even going beyond like, hey, if I'm creating
Speaker:content or doing stories.
Speaker:There are so many things, man, that it's like in the day-to-day
Speaker:Roman, I'm likely to forget them when I need to look back on them.
Speaker:So, you know, like for me personally, writing is not, um,
Speaker:something I've gifted like you.
Speaker:And so I'll do an audio.
Speaker:Kind of, uh, diary where I'm just talking and recording it.
Speaker:And the amazing thing is we've got AI nowadays, nowadays where we can
Speaker:load it and say, Hey, summarize this.
Speaker:And then, you know, you can take that and play it back later if
Speaker:there's something that comes from it.
Speaker:Or you can just create like a.
Speaker:Almost like a catalog of them, right?
Speaker:And when you hit those challenging spots, ask ai, Hey, find the wins that I've had.
Speaker:And you had talked about remembering those things almost as like, um, you know, like
Speaker:wins to help you to continue when things become, you know, arduous or long down the
Speaker:road, dude, like whatever hurdle there is.
Speaker:I think there's almost a way if your perspective, like you had talked
Speaker:about, you know, you're framing things in a positive way, you can find
Speaker:alternate ways to do things right.
Speaker:You and I may do things differently, but we're still getting the same result.
Speaker:And so I, I love what you're talking about as far as journaling it and
Speaker:keeping those stories at hand.
Speaker:Um, you know, it's, it's something that's custom for each of us in how we do it.
Speaker:Yeah, and, and it's really, so it's writing is for me is transformative
Speaker:because it's, it's not about what you writing is not about teaching others.
Speaker:It's more about how learning how to think because you're structuring
Speaker:your, your, your, your, you, you, you're getting ground, you ground
Speaker:yourself in, in the reality that you, you're perceiving right now.
Speaker:Then you put putting by putting it on a paper, it becomes more, it becomes
Speaker:now, it's, now it's, um, it's there.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:You can, okay.
Speaker:Now you have to,
Speaker:because the mind is really tricky because the mind is just this,
Speaker:that there's just, there's so many.
Speaker:We don't have any.
Speaker:There's, there's so many thoughts in your mind that are just there,
Speaker:repetitive, and, and this is like this record that all, like this old record
Speaker:that's that's playing all the time.
Speaker:And so, so you, so it, this is one of the, I think one of the biggest, best, I
Speaker:mean, things you can do or the greatest skills you one can, can acquire is to
Speaker:have the ability to, to use your mind properly instead of being used by it.
Speaker:So because, because our mind of often takes over and then we, we are actually
Speaker:a slave to the, to our own mind because we're, we're now in this loop that,
Speaker:and, and it's all, it's because it's also connected to your emotion and
Speaker:then you, you would, it's, it's mind boggling how, how much time we spend in.
Speaker:These?
Speaker:Yeah, we, we were just, because we were just like, like animals.
Speaker:Like we were just in, we we're getting like triggered for some and then we come,
Speaker:oh, so this is like the guy who does this to me in the past, and so this must be,
Speaker:and then we start, oh, like fantasize.
Speaker:And then a lot of the things we think we, we have in our mind and not
Speaker:useful and just not so to being able to extract the good stuff and then.
Speaker:That the thing that new ideas, right?
Speaker:Because also this is another thing.
Speaker:We are terrible ca uh, the mind is not good at, at, at capturing good ideas.
Speaker:We have good, we we get them, they pop up.
Speaker:But you need to be able to, this is why these note taking tools are so helpful
Speaker:when you by, you can do this with an audio like you do, like just okay.
Speaker:You might have noticed when, when you go, for example, going on a walk or go to the
Speaker:gym, for me it's walking or go to the gym is when or under the, when you're in a
Speaker:moment of relaxation in under the shower.
Speaker:Suddenly have a good idea.
Speaker:That's when you have to capture it.
Speaker:Like this is when you need to, when you're in a good state of mind, when you, when
Speaker:you, when you did the, like the physical work or the good ideas come up, right?
Speaker:And though it's really pivotal and it's super important, like the, in
Speaker:that moment, you need to write it down because otherwise it's gone just forever.
Speaker:And so have a system.
Speaker:To capture good ideas is such a good, is is a, this is a game changer.
Speaker:Um, altogether.
Speaker:It's really, this is the, the mo, the productivity hack.
Speaker:Um, I can come up like on a daily basis, like, you can do this just by, by doing
Speaker:that, you, you will 10 x your productivity with, because now you have, now you have
Speaker:this, um, idea capturing, uh, system.
Speaker:Then the next challenge is really just the implementation.
Speaker:So when you, if you can like the reducing the gap between having a good idea and
Speaker:implementing it to almost zero, this will give you the ultimate productivity hack.
Speaker:So the people that are really quick at implementing good ideas,
Speaker:those are the, those are the guys who are insanely successful.
Speaker:So I just had a talk like two days ago with a new client.
Speaker:He's a guy from the us.
Speaker:His name is Chris, and he, he has, um, basically he's also
Speaker:business consultant, a co a coach.
Speaker:And he just, he basically, um, has, this is a guy who has, uh, scaled four
Speaker:companies to almost 1 billion market cap.
Speaker:And so this, this is a, like this really, and he has this.
Speaker:I walked through a one hour, 90 minute call because I'm gonna create
Speaker:a five day email course for him.
Speaker:So I had to capture, understand how he thinks, and he has these
Speaker:crazy ideas, like, so he's talking like about unreasonable things,
Speaker:uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, visions.
Speaker:He's talking.
Speaker:He's teaching people to have unreasonable ideas.
Speaker:So because only the unreasonable ideas will add will get you, will get you
Speaker:beyond the eight figures and so and so, and we has, he has a lot of super
Speaker:interesting cre outrageous ideas.
Speaker:And, and uh, and outlandish would be also like where you other people think,
Speaker:okay, this is weird, but you have to be weird and embrace the weirdness.
Speaker:And then.
Speaker:That's how you stand out because the, the normal, the the average stuff stuff
Speaker:is not gonna get you any, any so far.
Speaker:I mean, it's just, yeah.
Speaker:But it super interesting person.
Speaker:Um, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's, it's the.
Speaker:Kind of abnormal stuff that comes along.
Speaker:Like you and I had talked about this as well, Roman, where it's like you are
Speaker:doing stuff that is outside the normal spectrum of, of friends and family.
Speaker:And when we do that kind of stuff, it's uncom.
Speaker:It can be uncomfortable.
Speaker:Uncomfortable for those around us because we're breaking this mold.
Speaker:We're putting a question to them.
Speaker:Do you now want to change what you've been doing?
Speaker:Like you said, the last three years, you know, you haven't been smoking, you
Speaker:haven't been drinking, like you have made intentional decisions in taking.
Speaker:Purposeful action to make sure, because you're like, this doesn't
Speaker:put me in that best state.
Speaker:And when we do that, it then is almost like a mirror.
Speaker:You know, if you're doing it and I'm hanging out with you, and I'm
Speaker:like, okay, Roman's doing this.
Speaker:Am I now gonna do this?
Speaker:And I have to have that, that inner conversation of am I gonna
Speaker:change because Roman changed?
Speaker:And if I decide no, then that's.
Speaker:Things for people around us and uh, but yeah, you know, it's
Speaker:like there's no reason that.
Speaker:Decision of being in a better place on a day-to-day basis for that
Speaker:ideal growth that you're wanting.
Speaker:There's no reason that should be held hostage because of the people around
Speaker:us and their decision not to change.
Speaker:So, um, yeah,
Speaker:yeah, you're right.
Speaker:And people, the people around us, it has such a huge impact on us.
Speaker:We don't realize, because we're in the, we're, we're in, in that circle, but, um.
Speaker:The, the, the, this is very well known, right?
Speaker:So the people that influence, we have, we surround ourselves by are the, the
Speaker:most important factor for a lot of the things that we do or not, we don't do.
Speaker:It's really important.
Speaker:So this might be harsh advice, but from, for a lot of guys, I would actually
Speaker:argue it the best thing they could.
Speaker:Do is walk away to get some be, be, be alone, right?
Speaker:So it's scary, but for many guys, it's a good idea to just, you
Speaker:know what, get, get out of there.
Speaker:And to get, I mean, because when you do that and you, you, you really left with
Speaker:yourself and looking into the mirror.
Speaker:So who am I, what I'm gonna do with it?
Speaker:Okay, so, and then the, the bigger questions arise and then you
Speaker:can plan or craft the different.
Speaker:I mean, this is a case if you, if you're not happy with your current
Speaker:life situation, of course, if you have family you love and you wanna, and
Speaker:then, then, and, and, and so forth.
Speaker:And then probably not a good idea, but I'm, I'm telling this is for, for guys
Speaker:who, who stuck in a, in a situation that they absolutely, um, they're not, which is
Speaker:not healthy or, or productive or whatever.
Speaker:So everyone needs to de decide.
Speaker:For, I mean, you need to decide for yourself, right?
Speaker:But, um, yeah, yeah.
Speaker:You get the idea, but what, yeah.
Speaker:But, uh, loneliness and being alone are not the same thing.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:So what's the difference in the two if they're not the same?
Speaker:Well, loneliness is just a victim mindset.
Speaker:State, like, uh, like this, when you feel lonely, it's because you,
Speaker:because you, you feel isolated.
Speaker:It's a, it's a, it's an emotional, it's a very, it's a, it.
Speaker:There's, there's one book I I really, uh, can recommend to everyone.
Speaker:It's called, uh, power versus Force, and there's the, the, the author
Speaker:is David R. Hawkins is an American.
Speaker:Um, he's, he already passed away, but one of the.
Speaker:Mouse most groundbreaking spirituality books, and he, what stood out to me is
Speaker:that it's not just spirituality, because this guy was actually a scientist, so
Speaker:he, he managed to measure the emotional, he what he, what he achieved is that.
Speaker:There is this, uh, kines.
Speaker:Kinesthetics is, it's called when you measure your muscle,
Speaker:your, your, your muscle.
Speaker:Um, uh, there's, you have to, you look it up on YouTube.
Speaker:When you go to David, David R. Hawkins, there's a whole, um,
Speaker:this is a whole science thing.
Speaker:Basically, it's consciousness.
Speaker:What he did, he, he, he assigned numbers to states of consciousness and
Speaker:there's this consciousness scale from.
Speaker:From, um, the lowest, obviously with apathy, like apathy, guilt, and mm-hmm.
Speaker:Really, the, they're all close to zero, which is death.
Speaker:And then the upper, upper side, which is enlightenment, right?
Speaker:The, the Jesus was an enlightened person, right?
Speaker:Or Buddha was on, on this 1000 scale.
Speaker:And in between like the, the, the, the middle point is courage, 200.
Speaker:Courage when, when you have courage is, is, is this like, is like right
Speaker:in the middle and below, just below.
Speaker:Courage is pride and just be, and just up courage is, um, acceptance.
Speaker:And so those are all different states we can go through and, um,
Speaker:and, and on the, on the lower, on the, I just lost my train of thought.
Speaker:Uh, forgot what, I dunno why I don't, I ended up on the, on
Speaker:the, on the consciousness thing.
Speaker:But you, uh, we were talking about, uh,
Speaker:the difference between being alone and loneliness.
Speaker:Oh yeah, exactly.
Speaker:Because of that.
Speaker:I can be because, right.
Speaker:Because when you're, when you feel lonely.
Speaker:You are their energetic level, your, which is the same as your
Speaker:consciousness level because what, what, what, what was mind boggling?
Speaker:What I was so fascinated about is that, that to understand that your
Speaker:level, your emotional states, where you find yourself in most of the
Speaker:time equals your state of awareness.
Speaker:So, so that's important to understand because an emotion then.
Speaker:Because there's, it means that it's just emotion is not just a fleeting thing.
Speaker:It can all, it can be like chronic, right?
Speaker:So like, just as your, you can have a, you can have a pain.
Speaker:You, you, you hit your, I don't know, you have a injure, your, your leg
Speaker:or you can have chronic pain, right?
Speaker:Difference thing so that you, the, the emotional states, you are most
Speaker:of, you're in most of the time.
Speaker:Really equals your, your, your level of, of consciousness.
Speaker:And so being lonely is just going back all the time into this, uh,
Speaker:like this, uh, nobody loves me.
Speaker:Uh, I'm a, uh, uh, um, I'm, I am, uh, you know, these, all these negative
Speaker:emotions that really hurt you.
Speaker:So it's a consciousness thing.
Speaker:And it's, and then that's at the end of the thing.
Speaker:It's awareness and spirit.
Speaker:This is where spirituality comes in, where you, and the truth
Speaker:is, you're not, this is not you.
Speaker:This is just this.
Speaker:A voice that's telling you that you are lonely, but you're not.
Speaker:You can be.
Speaker:You can choose to be alone.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:And, and, and use it and, and, and turn it around and let it be and be, and
Speaker:making it a powerful state to be in.
Speaker:Being alone means you can take you just a different perspective, right?
Speaker:You can.
Speaker:Now you're in the, you're, you're the one that takes all the decisions and have
Speaker:the, you have all the control over what you do every day, and it gives you a lot
Speaker:of power when you use it that way, right?
Speaker:So you can then.
Speaker:Because you, you can, you, you, the day is yours, right?
Speaker:Everyone has 24 hours.
Speaker:What are you gonna do with that time when you are alone?
Speaker:Because you're gonna, you don't have to.
Speaker:So this is, this is a different, it's just shifting your perspective
Speaker:from the victim mindset that you are just, oh, nobody loves me to, okay.
Speaker:I can literally do whatever the I wanna do.
Speaker:Yeah,
Speaker:no, I get that.
Speaker:And that's, and that's, uh, definitely a big difference of seeing things where
Speaker:it's like, woe is me, you know, like you said, a victim to, Hey, I'm in control.
Speaker:I'm in charge.
Speaker:So, very different on how, how we frame things there.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well, Roman, I appreciate.
Speaker:All you have shared here, both, you know, hey, this is how you
Speaker:make your day to day go forward.
Speaker:This is how you're present.
Speaker:Not too focused on the past, not too focused on the present,
Speaker:but, or the future, but focused on the present to be here.
Speaker:Um, not, not somewhere else.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:Uh, and taking action in the today, here and now.
Speaker:Um, outside of this podcast, Roman, how can guys connect with you?
Speaker:They can, uh, first and foremost, they could, they could, uh,
Speaker:sign up to my newsletter.
Speaker:I'm publishing every Friday, and I, when, when, when you send, when you
Speaker:respond to that, you, I, I always answer.
Speaker:So just call, uh, or send me a DM on my socials.
Speaker:They're all my newsletter, uh, the Nomad CEO and, and, uh, yeah, I'm.
Speaker:I try to respond all the comments on my social, on YouTube and
Speaker:on, on, on my newsletter.
Speaker:So yeah, I'm happy to engage and happy to help whatever, whatever
Speaker:questions you come up with.
Speaker:Perfect.
Speaker:And we'll make it easy putting, putting all those links in the show
Speaker:notes so that it's uh, just a click.
Speaker:And there you go.
Speaker:So Roman, yeah man, I appreciate it.
Speaker:Thank you so much for your time and your insights.
Speaker:I really appreciate it my friend.
Speaker:Thank you.
Speaker:Thank you, Mike for having me.
Speaker:It was really great talking to you.
Speaker:Really awesome podcast.
Speaker:And um, yeah, anytime.
Speaker:Thank you so much.
Speaker:Absolutely, my friend.
Speaker:Have a great one.
