Breaking Through Limitations When Doctors Say You'll Never Run Again with Brad Minus

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Well, hello and welcome back.

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My friend this week, Brad Minus is joining me, and Brad's got one of

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those stories where you know, you, you begin to make that transformation.

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You see something else you want where you're at doesn't match up

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with what you're hoping to live.

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That life is just kind of off kilter and so you start making

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changes and unfortunately then when you're making those changes.

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Then the unexpected things can happen and it's like how do you react?

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Do you just take it and go off a different path or do you rise up

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to that challenge and figure out how to overcome what's happened?

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And so Brad's got an amazing story of, of.

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You know, working on his physical health, having some back problems rise up, and

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then having to make that decision, Hey, I'm at the crossroads, what do I do?

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And he chose the, the higher route, the harder path.

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And man, just the, the impact that he is made going from having back

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problems to now finishing five Ks, 10 Ks, half marathons, uh,

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half Ironman's, full Ironman's.

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I mean, Brad's definitely.

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Risen to the call and gone the path that the doctors would've

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looked at and went, no way.

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Not a hope.

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So how do we get there?

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And so we're gonna get into that conversation with Brad.

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Super excited about it.

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Brad, how are you doing today, my friend?

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I am doing great, and thank you for having me.

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Fantastic.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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It's like as I was.

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Reading through, you know, like what you've gone through and

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how you've made those changes.

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A little bit of what I've shared here, I was like, heck yeah.

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Because it's like we need to hear those stories because man, in the day to day

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dude, it just can become so overwhelming and just feel like, hey, there's no hope.

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There's no possibility of change when in fact it's, you know, just

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we're looking at too much of the moment and not really looking.

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Down the line as far as what can be possible if we just give our chance,

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uh, give ourself the chance to, you know, explore what's possible.

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Well, let's jump in, Brad, like what does today look like for you

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on the professional side of things?

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So, I mean, I have a regular nine to five job to where I am a, I'm a technical

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project manager at a major law firm.

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Um, that's just to make money.

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Um, but, but I really.

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I'm passionate about my coaching.

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So I'm, I'm an endurance coach.

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I coach people to doing their first, or continuing to get improvement

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on marathons, triathlon, uh, ultra marathons, um, OCR, that type of thing.

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People that have wanted to take either to the next level or they wanna

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try something new, something hard.

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And I also coach high school, cross country, and I'm an assistant coach for

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the same school for track and field.

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Nice.

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Yeah, that definitely, that would keep me busy, man.

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I Yeah.

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Can only imagine.

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Well, and then of course, you and I talked about I do have a podcast.

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Yes.

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And, um, you know, I train myself.

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So that's, that's kind of like, that's how I live every single day.

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Yeah, I was gonna say, in order to, uh, to do the ultra marathons and the

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Ironmans, it's not like you're just jumping, you know, right into it and

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like, Hey, I think I'll go do this.

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There's a lot of preparation and training that goes into it, so yeah,

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that's gotta be something that you plan, not just in how you're coaching,

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you know, your clients or the students, you know, the, the teams that you're.

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Coaching, you're leading, but you've also gotta lead yourself.

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So yeah, dude, that's a, a lot to put on the calendar and make sure

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that, um, you know, you're, you're checking off all those boxes.

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So with that, I mean, you've got a lot on the professional side.

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What does it look like on the personal side?

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Um, more of the same, just because it's a passion, so it's like constantly filling.

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My, you know, my mind about Alright, you know, besides having, you know, people

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on the, you know, these kids on the team that, that wanna do better, where do I

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wanna go as far as what's my next race or what's my next challenge gonna be?

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I. Then of course my parents moved down here.

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And so it's, it's kind of a, a, a lot of the same when something you're, when

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you're passionate about something, it's, you know, constantly reading, constantly,

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you know, even finding fictional stories about triathletes and, and, um, and

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runners and, and that kind of thing.

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You, it just, it kind of consumes you.

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And some people think that I might be obsessed, but.

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I don't consider it obsession because it doesn't, it doesn't,

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like, I shouldn't say that.

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It doesn't, it does, it fulfills me, you know what I mean?

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My, you know, um, I am a spiritual person, but my church Sunday

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mornings is that long run.

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That's my church, you know, everybody else go has their service that they go to.

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I go out for a nice long one, and I'm spiritual with, you know,

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with God at that point in time.

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Um, so it's just another way.

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To fulfill my personal life.

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Yeah, that makes sense.

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Well, let's, you're at the point right now, like we've talked about,

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you know, where you're doing the endurance running, you're coaching

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people in endurance running.

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That wasn't the case.

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At one point.

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You, you kind of looked and said, Hey, you know, my, my biomarkers,

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like your health markers as far as.

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Yeah.

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You know, your health wise were not in the right place.

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They were actually reversed.

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Right.

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You're tracking down instead of like tracking up and going, Hey,

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yeah, I'm in, I'm in good health.

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Um, take us back to that just so that we can understand like where you

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were going because you hit a pretty, pretty big road bump, um, after that.

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But I wanna make sure that we understand like, hey.

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Where were you going?

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What was the, the path that you were on?

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Yeah, so, uh, I left the military, uh, 2005 and then I started going

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to work and I found myself in a job that I actually really enjoyed.

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I. I was spending 16, 17 hours between traveling and being at the office and

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then maintaining stuff at home and, you know, being on calls from, because I,

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we, we were global, so, you know, I had to talk with people across the pond.

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So it was, it, it had taken its toll and I just had a normal checkup and

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she made me go take my labs and.

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I went back and she talked to me.

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She goes, I haven't seen this from you.

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Now, prior to that, I remember that I was in the military, so it was

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every day was pt. I had a, I had a certain physical level that I had to

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maintain and I always, I. I'd always tried to max out the, the point level

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on the Army physical fitness test.

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So that was just me, you know, um, during my, during it took a while in my career

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to get to that point, and then I just sustained it so I was in good shape.

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And then, you know, after a couple years of these 12 to 15 hour days,

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whether I liked it or not, I just.

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I went to go take my physical, my physical with my doctor,

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and she looked at the things.

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She goes, what's going on?

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She goes, I haven't seen anything like this with you.

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Triglycerides are up, cholesterol's through the roof.

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I, she wanted me to go take a, one of these things where they, they

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test your arteries for plaque.

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I mean, it was like, it was just 180 degree turn from what she expected.

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And that like scared me.

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I, I don't have a ton of, um, like diseases or, you know, terminal

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stuff in, in my, in my family.

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Um, but I do have some people that I let themselves go.

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So of course I don't wanna be like that.

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So what I, what I ended up doing was I just happened to be walking around

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and I was at Hyde Park Village, right down here in Tampa, Florida.

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There happened to be a gym there and of course the gym, and that was when

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these bootcamp classes just started.

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So, of course I'm just coming out of the military, you know what I mean?

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I'm two, three years out of the military and I'm like,

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well, yeah, that spoke to me.

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'cause it's a bootcamp.

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So it spoke to me.

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So I'm like, all right, well maybe that's a way to start.

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So I started at two.

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They had what they call teasers.

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This is usually an hour class, but they did these teasers that

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were half an hour just to show you what it was gonna be about.

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So I took a couple teasers and after half an hour I was huffing and puffing.

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It was at one.

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At one point.

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I started seeing spots.

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I was gonna pass out, you know, and I was like, what is going on?

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This is, you know, we used to rock 12 miles and we used to run for 10 miles

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when I was in the military and all of a sudden, two years out, and I'm like.

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You know, so I started taking that class and I got better and

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I got in, I got in better shape.

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So it was two days a week.

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Then all of a sudden, one Monday morning I woke up and I was like, God, I'm awake.

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And it was like six in the morning and I don't have to be at work till nine.

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And I'm like, ah, go for a little run.

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So I did four miles and I was like, okay.

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So that became my part of my routine, Monday, Tuesday.

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And then.

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One of the trainers started this class called Punch and Crunch, which

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was boxing and abs, and she was doing that on Wednesdays and Saturdays.

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So I got bootcamp on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

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I started running on, on, on Mondays.

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I was doing this, this, uh, um, uh, punch and crunch class

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on Wednesdays and Saturdays.

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And then, then from my bootcamp class, some, some girl was like,

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Hey, you should come and do.

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Hot yoga on Sunday, and I was like, oh, well great.

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Here's all this, this stuff that I'm doing.

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I'm running, I'm doing this.

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Hot yoga might be great to get some flexibility.

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So now I'm working out six days a week and loving life.

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Well, I. These bootcamp classes are in six week sessions.

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So then after the first six weeks, so the second six weeks, this guy

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comes in and his name is Scott.

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And he talks to me that he's done marathons and all this stuff and

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he goes, Hey, you know what I'm doing the Chicago Marathon for um,

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polycystic Kidney Disease Foundation.

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And because my wife has polycystic kidney disease and my kids have a 50% chance

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of getting polycystic kidney disease.

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So all of a sudden, okay, so I'm like, all right, well I gotta help this guy.

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And I was like, okay, I'll join with this.

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So we started running and we had like, I think we had like 10

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people that were running with us.

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We decided to make this team.

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We did fundraisers and we, we.

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We started, I think we ended up giving them like $26,000.

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That's how much we raised.

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So of course, two weeks, two weeks, two weeks before the marathon, I'm like,

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I'm just in one another bootcamp class.

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Even though Scott told me, he said, maybe you should hold off until we get

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done with the marathon just in case.

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And I'm like, no, no.

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This is stuff we do in our sleep.

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Not a big deal.

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It just so happened that.

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We were doing suicides and we were on this basketball court and it was like, here,

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back here, back here, back here, back.

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And I get to the last one, I make the turn, and my foot,

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my foot sticks on the ground and I go to turn, but my body

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turns and my foot stays planted.

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So my, my spine goes like, like this pops my disc.

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The whole fricking class heard it.

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It was that loud.

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Hmm.

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I mean, it burst.

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It burst right there.

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Of course, the adrenaline's flowing, so I don't really feel it that much.

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So I'm like, oh, I'm just gonna finish it up, you know?

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And they're like, are you sure?

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Maybe you should go back.

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And I'm like, no, no, no, I'm fine now.

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I've.

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Been going to a chiropractor for a while, and I already had, I, I had a

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chiropractor appointment literally right after class, so I'm like, no big deal.

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Something happened.

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I'll go and, and she'll fix me.

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As I'm driving, everything starts to go numb and then starts to get painful.

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So I get there and the ladies saw I was in really bad pain and they're like,

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well, the doc is busy with someone else, but you look like you need some help.

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So let's put you down on one of the tables.

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We'll put some ice on your back.

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I'm like, okay, great.

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So I finally get in, and this is actually a funny part.

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Um, she adjusts me, which she shouldn't have, but she adjusts me to try and

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get, slip it back into place and the.

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She says to get up now.

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And so I drop one leg off of the table and all of a sudden I pass out.

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'cause the pain's so bad.

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Now, if you've ever been to a chiropractor's office, you have a

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face shield and what, what is the color usually of that face shield?

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Uh, well the paper would be white.

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Yeah, exactly.

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So can you imagine me coming from blacking out and what do I see?

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Yeah.

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Just the paper white.

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Oh my God.

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So the doctor says to me, she says, are you back with us now?

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And I say, Dr. B, what are you doing up here?

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Oh gosh.

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Right.

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That's funny.

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Um, I thought I was dead.

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I literally, I thought I was in heaven.

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I opened up my eyes.

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All I see is white.

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I'm like, oh, I'm in heaven.

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Oh, I wanna, I hope I'm okay.

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You know?

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And, uh, anyway, so I ended up, she can't figure out.

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I could barely walk.

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She gets me to the back and she puts stim on me.

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She's trying everything and I end up taking an ambulance

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from the chiropractor to.

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To the hospital, they give me muscle relaxers.

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They give me an MRI, and they finally see that I've bulged and herniated my disc.

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Um, I spend two weeks on bed rest where literally, you know,

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luckily I can work from home.

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So I'm literally knee, I'm in my bed, knees up my hand.

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My, my laptop's on my fricking lap and that's the only way that I could

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do anything is laying on my bed.

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Things start to get a little bit better with me medication and I go

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and I see a orthopedic surgeon and I also see a neurosurgeon, and so

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I go to see both of them, and they both told me the exact same thing.

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They said it, what happened to you is so bad that most likely you are

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never going to run more than two miles for the rest of your life.

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And you're gonna do it slow and it's gonna be painful.

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Hmm.

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So that was, you know, that was a shock.

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'cause here I am supposed to do, now it's a, you know, you know,

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I'm supposed to do this marathon and obviously that's not happening.

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And so I already knew that that wasn't happening.

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But that means I'm not gonna do a marathon for the rest of my life.

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Hmm.

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That is a lot to swallow there.

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Right.

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And I can appreciate exactly what kind of, what, what that would affect, because

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it's like, I'm supposed to run a 5K here in, uh, a couple weeks and it's like.

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You and I had talked before, you know, we pressed record and it's

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like I had two tears in my retina.

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Can't work out, can't go swim, can't go run, nothing for the plan that I'm on.

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And that's very similar to like what you're like, dude, I'm getting in shape.

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I'm working out six days a week.

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I'm working to get my triglycerides down, my cholesterol, everything in line.

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You've got the plan, you're activating on it, and then you get news like that.

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How did you balance back?

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Because now you're running ultra marathons.

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So we know that the doctors in what they said, it's not held, held true.

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Right.

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But many people will stop and go, well, that must be what I'm stuck with.

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I'm relegated to How did you break out of that Brad?

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Because like I said, you're running ultra marathons.

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That's more than two miles.

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So, you know, those,

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the, you know, the, the five levels of grief, you know?

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Yeah.

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So I just never got out of denial.

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So that's the key is whatever comes up, nah, I don't, yeah.

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I'm not gonna accept it.

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Pretty

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much.

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Pretty much.

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It was like, I, I had to, you know, I kind of went in reverse, you know, I

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accepted that this happened to me, but I was denying the fact that I was only

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gonna run two miles, if that Right.

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There was had to be something else.

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And that was a thing.

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Now this I learned this much later, but basically Western medicine is the here and

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now when they diagnose you with something, most doctors and the way they're

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taught, it's, that's the way it is.

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What is, where can we get them to, um, and at, you know, in a really

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relatively short amount of time, and that's gonna be their permanent state.

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So in, in, um, in Six Sigma, which is, you know, is basically, you know, mistakes

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and, you know, doing things in more, in, in an efficient manner with quality.

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You would say that there's different states.

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You have current state, you have future state, you have ideal state.

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Well, in western medicine they go for future state and basically what they're

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saying is where can we get to them too?

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And that's probably gonna be their permanent.

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They're, they're, they're permanent state.

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Eastern medicine doesn't look that way.

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Eastern Medicine wants you to go from current state to ideal state.

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And they're like, what is the most possible thing that we can

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do to heighten the potential?

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And where could they go?

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That's ideal state.

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So basically what I did was I said, I need to get to ideal state.

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How do I get there?

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So the first part was, is tracing.

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I learned to trace the injury, and I do this with my clients

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is, okay, where does it hurt?

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And then what's, where are the nerves?

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Where are the muscles?

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Where are the tendons?

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Where do they, where, where, where do they lead out of?

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And what's causing it?

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So to me, after, you know, trying to get back on the track again and

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not, not working, it's like, okay, so I learned that I needed to find a

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way to take the impact off my back.

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So how can I do what I wanna do, which is to run?

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How can I run and take that impact off?

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Turns out the natural way of running.

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Takes that off.

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There is no impact on the back.

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There's no impact and there's very little actually impact on the knees

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when you run the correct way and you develop the muscles that need to be,

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that need to be developed, you run with your core, which is basically

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your glutes, your, the major mess muscle is glutes, the secondary muscles

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are the quads and the, and the caps.

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So the more that you can activate those glutes.

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The more efficient you'll be as far as running.

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So I needed to know that I needed to, one, I needed to fix my back.

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So I, you know, went back to a, I went to a different

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chiropractor and, um, they helped.

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And then I went through massage therapy.

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I, and then from there I started talking to.

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Run form coaches, Danny Abshire, um, from Newton running, um, uh, Jack Daniels.

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No, not the, not the whiskey, uh, the running coach.

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Um, so that's a different type of

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running.

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Right, right, right.

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Alexander Pose, you know, from Pose method, you know, the whole bit.

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Just trying to get an idea.

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Um, the guy from Q Running, which is also a Danny and I can't remember

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the last name off the top of.

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But I went through and I talked to these people, read their

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books, did everything possible.

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I learned to trace my injury.

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And I literally found out that when the body is in a natural running state,

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not what is sociologically affecting us now, but back to the caveman days

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with the natural running instinct, the natural running, um, posture, there

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is very little impact on the back.

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Most of the impact stays between the, the toes, the ball of the

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foot, and right underneath the knee.

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That's where most of the impact stays when you're running the correct way.

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So when I found that out, it's like, okay, now I just need to teach myself.

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I. A way of doing it and teaching text takes technique and it takes planning.

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So it was, I think I changed the way that I ran, or the way I should say

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I was teaching myself three times before I found the one that worked.

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Now.

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There's four states of learning, right?

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You've got unconscious incompetence.

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You don't know what you dunno.

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You've got conscious incompetence.

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Okay, so now I know what I need to do and now I just need to learn to do it.

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And that's where I was.

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And then the next stop was conscious competence.

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I know how to do it.

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But I need to think about it.

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And that is probably the hardest part of learning that anybody has is the

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fact that, okay, that's where you go.

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You've been taught this and you've gotta stick with it until you get to

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the last stage, which is unconscious competence, which is muscle memory.

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So, but everybody.

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Most people, not everybody, most people get stuck at conscious

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competence and they're like, oh wait, I gotta think about it.

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I gotta think about it.

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I shouldn't have to think about it.

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I gotta think about it.

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I gotta, I shouldn't have to think about this, blah, blah, blah.

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So they get stuck there and then they end up going into bad habits and they

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end up being back at, um, conscious, conscious incompetence, um, because

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they refuse to be in the moment.

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And think about that because it's gonna take you three months

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before it finally clicks or.

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Basically, it might go earlier if your body reacts well to it, but

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most likely it's a good three months that you gotta be every single step.

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Every single thing.

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You gotta be thinking about it, and then all of a sudden, before you know

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it, you'll go out and you'll go out for a run and you're not even realizing

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that you're not thinking about it anymore, and you're like, wow, that

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happened to me on an 18 mile run.

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By the way.

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Dang.

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So, um, but that's basically what it was, is just kind of like

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I went through Grey's Anatomy.

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I talked to people, I, you know, went to the doctors, I talked to, um, licensed

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ma uh, licensed massage therapists and, and, and physical therapists.

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Seeing, well, what could be done, what's the anatomy, what's going

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on so that I can create this form.

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A way of teaching this form to myself, which now is something

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that I teach everybody,

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you know?

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Yeah, that makes sense.

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And I love the way you described like the four different types of learning there.

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Um, a lot of times, particularly as guys will look at it and go,

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um, I need to learn this stuff.

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But it's, it's almost like we.

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We get frustrated with the learning process and the fact

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that we're not competent, right?

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We can see it as a failure.

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Um, and stop.

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Or we'll also identify our ourselves personally as why am I failing at this?

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Why can't I get this right?

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And it becomes like.

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Not just a process of like what we're talking about here, learning

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to run, but it becomes an issue with why can't I get this right?

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And it starts impacting your worth, your resilience and, and just how

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far you can continue going on.

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Right?

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You become like your own worst enemy in your head.

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How did you continue working through that process without

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identifying yourself as this?

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Failed.

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It didn't work.

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Um, so now I'm a failure as well.

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How did you keep those two things separate?

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So it, like I said, I went through, changed my form three times.

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Yeah.

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Trying to find the right one and find the one, the, the certain way to do it.

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And don't get me wrong, I had those feelings.

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It was like, oh, this is not gonna work.

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And then I just keep remembering.

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And I do not remember sure if it was Tony Robbins, but there

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was something that clicked in my head at that point was actually,

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there's no such thing as failure.

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You're only a failure if you quit.

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You're, those failures teach you of, they teach you the lessons that

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you need to learn to be succeed.

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So I learned that the first time.

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All right.

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This way didn't work.

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It's not that you're failure, it's just this way for you didn't

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work because back still hurt.

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It was really slow.

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It started being achy.

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Okay, second time, you know.

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All right.

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Go back to the drawing board, learn some more.

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Try again, you know.

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All right.

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Well, this is a little bit better, but I'm still feeling it in my back.

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Now my shoulders hurt.

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My neck's a little bit stiff.

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Something's wrong there.

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All right.

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Go back to the drawing board again, and now try again.

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But if you don't.

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Keep trying and you quit, you're never gonna change.

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So I just use those as those are my lessons.

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Right?

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You, they're actually, as much as I like to say that there's really

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no such thing as failure, all you're all there is, is experience.

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If you wanna be totally, you know, um, holistic about it, you can't

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have success without failure.

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Or you can't have success without learning experiences.

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So it's all the, in all of 'em, vocabulary failure is such a, it's

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such a permanent term, you know?

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So, and, and again, it's all how you look at it, you know, it doesn't have

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to be, I chose to just strap, scrap it, and just say, okay, this is, I,

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I, I, this is a learning experience.

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This didn't work.

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Moved on to the next one.

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You know, and that's, and that's the way it is.

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Now, the other problem is that we have to think about is then when people start

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talking about failure, is it a failure or have I not put enough time into it?

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Right.

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So I mean, I made sure that I put a month, at least a month into learning

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before I decided that this doesn't work because muscles have to adapt.

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We are very adaptive as humans.

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The only people, the only species out there that adapt better

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than us are dogs and cats.

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And you know this because you, I don't know if any of you've had a

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neighborhood stray that's only got three legs and they run just as

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fast as those on four legs, right?

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We adapt that same way.

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You know, we, if you lose a leg.

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You'll figure it out.

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You get some crutches and you move on.

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You lose an eye, you lose both your eyes, your hearing gets better.

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You know, you get radar, you know, type of thing.

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You know, there's so our body will adapt to it, but you

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gotta give it time to adapt.

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So that's another issue that a lot of us go through.

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Oh, I tried that.

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That didn't work.

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I'm like, well, how long?

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Once?

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But it's not an overnight.

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It doesn't happen overnight like that, you know, and, and this happens with

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brand new runners that come to me, like these, these high school kids, and they

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come onto track, oh, I'd like to learn to run, or I'd like to come out and run.

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I'm like, I can run.

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And all of a sudden you tell 'em, all right, go 400.

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And they come out and they're like, can't breathe.

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They're like, and I'm like, Hey, that was a good job.

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I'm not doing this again.

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I'm like, why not?

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It hurt.

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It'll hurt this time.

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Keep doing it a few times and it won't hurt.

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But, you know, that's our environment right now is that we are, uh,

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we want that, that, that initial gratitude and we want it right away.

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Yeah.

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The, the another really powerful thing in what you've done and how

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you've done it, because it's like, if you look at running, it's like.

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You can think, oh my gosh, I should just be able to run.

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Shouldn't be a big problem.

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But instead you came to it with humility.

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Hey, I'm gonna learn to run because you know, I've got

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this challenge with my back.

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I need to remove the stress there.

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You came at it with humility instead of being humiliated in,

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why don't I know, know how to run?

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And you and I have talked about the difference in, you know, like.

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Younger grade kids in elementary school run naturally and there's almost like

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this lockup process almost like we forget and our body can't compensate because

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it's kind of atrophied and shut down.

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Um, do you see that, like that's almost like a universal thing

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is like your mindset will.

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Kind of carry you through those challenges.

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You either come in humble going, I want to learn to run.

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Like you talked about, you know, the guys coming out, running a

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400 going, Hey, this is the pain.

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Oh, this sucks, you know, I'm not performing the way I want, and you

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don't show up in the way you want.

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Um, do you see that, like, that perspective, that mindset of.

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Hey, show me how to do this.

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Let me learn how to run properly.

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Does that make the difference between who goes the long distance and

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then, um, kind of sticks with it?

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Yeah, it, it's the people that realize that it's, this is a long-term process.

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This is not a process, you know, uh, adults especially, we don't bounce

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back as fast as, you know, the kids do.

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So what.

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The kids, you know, um, 18 and under can probably, you know, progress in weeks.

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It takes somebody over the age of 30 months, you know, and sometimes, you know,

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and, and, and then of course if you look at, you know, top of the line athletes,

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they will train, depending on the, the, depending on the event, they'll train a

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year for a couple of seconds, you know.

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Um, if, if you get into the larger ones, they'll train years for a couple of

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minutes on like the, uh, the marathon.

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It's, it's incredible because you get at a certain point, but they

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know that they've gotta do that.

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So it definitely is this, this idea that we can't go in there

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and go, okay, I'm gonna try it.

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Oh, I don't like it.

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You don't know if you don't like it.

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It's interesting that, and I, I can tell you a quick anecdote is

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I used to do a program at Tampa General Hospital for the employees.

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Um, it, and I designed the run program and used to do this eight week zero to 5K and.

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And every first session was introductions.

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So I'd have every single one of them go around the room and I'd be like, and they

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would tell me about why they're there, what is their goals, what is, and then I'd

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always tell 'em what their fantasy was.

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But, well, that's for a different time.

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Um, but I always have 2, 3, 4 women.

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They're like, oh, I hate running.

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And I'm like, well, why are you here?

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And they're like, because nothing else is working.

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And.

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I, and I think that this might, this might help.

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I'm like, okay.

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I said, I will take it.

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I says, but it just show up every single day and I will give you,

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alright, let's call her Jane.

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Um, Jane comes in, she says, exact same thing, complains to every single

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training session, but you know what?

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She's there doesn't miss one.

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And I give, I give four before I kick you out.

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Um.

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And every single one, she's there every single time.

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She does every single workout.

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And there's always a workout that's outside of the, of the course.

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So there's two in-person, one one by herself.

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And she tells me, at least she told me she did every single one.

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She says, I, I took the course.

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I'm gonna take what you know, we did.

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Um, out here in Tampa, we've got the Gasparilla, um,

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Gasparilla Distance Festival.

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And, and it's like in three weeks.

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And that was our, that was our, our graduation run.

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And I would take them all and we'd all go line up in the corrals

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together and we'd start together.

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Now, it there was, they, they never finished together because they had

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different, you know, different abilities.

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Jane finished big, giant smile on her face and I don't know if I ever

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saw, I ever knew she even had teeth.

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Um.

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She gives me this biggest hug in the world and she goes, oh

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my God, that was so much fun.

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And that made all the difference.

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But the thing was, is that she complained through all through it.

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And that was the, that's the big takeaway here is that it is this

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long, this, this slow process.

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Now, I don't think eight weeks is that much, but a lot of people will

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feel like eight weeks is that much.

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Um, and let me just give you a quick.

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Idea of idea what this entailed.

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So, like I said, it's, it was three times a week.

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The very first, the very, very first workout is this five minute brisk

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walk, three minute run, and they have to run at a conversational pace, which

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means if they're, if they can't talk, they're running too fast, another five

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minute brisk walk, a two minute run, and another five minute brisk walk.

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That's the very first workout.

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Now every workout for the rest of the thing, for the rest of the course

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increases the run intervals by one minute.

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That's it.

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So they are increasing their running time, six minutes a week.

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That's it.

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And because of this, what happens is, is this, um, it starts to become.

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Pleasure.

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So that type of running and the way that we had it doing is that because they've

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never done things like that before, they're gonna feel a little bit sore, but

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mostly it's tightness, it's not soreness.

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And then I have them associate that with accomplishment.

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Okay, pleasure, pain principle.

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You feel this associated with pleasure.

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Because you've done something, you associate it with

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accomplishment, which is pleasures.

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You know?

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I'm like, 'cause you've done something.

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And I praise them at the end of their, uh, at the end of the,

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at the end of the workouts.

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We have a great time together.

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We don't, you know, it's not, you know, all like hard, hard work.

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We, we, we laugh and giggle and sing and all that stuff while we're

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running to try and get them to, you know, we do all that stuff.

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But it's the idea that it's six minutes a week.

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They're only increasing.

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Six minutes a week.

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So it's unlike what most guys do when they decide to go to

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the gym for the first time.

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That's my biggest, that's my huge anecdote to this.

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This is, this is the big thing when you're a guy and you're like, oh, I need

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to get in shape and go into the gym and like you go and this, the salesman sits

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you down and shows you everything and you're like, okay, I'm ready to work out.

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And what do we do as guys?

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Go over to the, go over to the dumbbells and pick them up?

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We start doing curls and we're like, oh, the 20 pounders, right.

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Oh hey.

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I must be stronger than I thought.

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This is pretty, lemme go pick up the 30 fives.

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Okay.

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This is a little bit tougher.

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All right.

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Don't do three sets.

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Oh, that felt really good.

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Okay, good.

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Now I'm gonna do some raises and I see some guy over there doing

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bench press and I do the same thing.

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Oh, well I haven't taxed my muscles in ages, so they don't

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know what it's like to work hard.

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Um, so they're gonna push out everything.

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So do three sets of that.

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Do just this, of this, blah, blah, blah.

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I go do the leg press machine, I do some squats.

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You know, probably the perform the form is probably crap the whole time.

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I go and I go sit in and then most likely, this is what happens, guys,

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go look over at the treadmills and see some, some pretty girl

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in some tight outfit over there.

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So like, oh, I'll go get on the treadmill for a little while too.

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Then the next morning they wake up, can't move their arm, can't zip their zipper.

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Can't put on a shirt, can't do anything because it's so fricking, it is like

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super sore and you barely can move.

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Now what did they do now?

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They're never going back to the gym.

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They might try one more time and it's gonna make it worse because I'll probably

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go in back in like two days and I'll be like, oh, okay, well I just have to

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force myself to do it, blah, blah, blah.

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And they'll go and it'll get worse.

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So now they've associated with pain.

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So if you associate something with pain.

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Now all of a sudden you ain't gonna go.

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That's where, that's where these gyms make their money.

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They know that they're gonna get that guy in there, um, and

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they're gonna be like, okay.

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You know?

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He's like, yeah, yeah.

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And then he's gonna, he's gonna associate it with paying

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and he is never to come back.

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Now they got a year of, of an annual membership that they got and they

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don't have to do anything for it.

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Yeah.

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It's that initial jump in, push yourself too hard, get injured, be sore.

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Uh, the funny thing is, and it, this goes beyond like the running,

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the working out, you know, it can be anything new that we're doing.

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Is once you continue pushing through like that awkward beginning, you know,

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you talked about having the people, um, run a certain distance and incrementally

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increase, is that discomfort point changes as we keep doing like that

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habit, that routine, that, that exercise, whatever we're doing, um, you

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know, we move beyond that pain point.

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And so if we're used to running from discomfort, we're gonna do exactly

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like what you talked about with, you know, first day in the gym.

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Ouch.

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This hurts, you know, next day.

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Okay, I'm done.

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Um, how are you seeing, like yourself or the people that you are training, right?

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Your running clients, how are you seeing them as.

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Are moving beyond like that incremental, they're not like having that high

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level of expectation of, I used to do this or I should be able to do this.

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But when they start and they just kind of step through it, how are you

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seeing that impact their confidence?

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And then how are you seeing them being able to accomplish

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like their longer term goals

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the next session, uh, I talked about her and I didn't, I didn't

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say who she was, but I talked about her and, um, and the inter, and

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somebody said, oh, wait, that's Jane.

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And I'm like.

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She goes, yeah, the, she said the transformation was crazy.

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She goes, I, and it was kind of the same joke that I told you.

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I'm like, didn't know she had teeth until she started running.

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Um, you know, and she's joking, you know, she said, yeah, the change is crazy.

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She says she's joking more at work where she didn't usually,

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she usually was like the Bullhead.

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That you're gonna do it this way or the highway.

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She goes, it was like that.

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Now she's like joking and she's smiling and, she's actually

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a pleasure to be around now.

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I mean, endorphins will do that to you, you know, it's that really

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changed her as far as that goes.

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the other thing that I, I am really big on is.

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Finding something hard, and this comes from experience, is doing something

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so outta your comfort zone, like something that you had no clue that

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you could do something that is so far out of step for you that it will

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make changes just getting there.

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Now the, the trick is, is not to put a time limit on it or

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to put a time limit on it.

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That's, um, that's realistic.

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So, lemme give you a, let me give you, and I tell this story

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in my podcast all the time.

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Um, had this friend slash somewhat of a, uh, of a client cat, you

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know, we were more like training buddies, but she needed some help.

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But Ka was at the start of her jour, let's call it a fitness journey.

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She was 250 pounds, five, one.

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Okay?

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Small girl, big body, right?

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Um, she'd tried everything.

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She had, you know, dieted tried this, you know, she'd gone to the gym.

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She had started running a little bit, did a 5K, you know, but really, really slow

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and never really got any kind of like traction to start letting it go down.

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Until one day she was watching television and she was serving to

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the channels and caught onto the World Championship Ironman in Kona.

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So Ironman World Champions Kona, and she starts watching it and

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she's like, wow, that's pretty cool.

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You know, they swim this way.

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So she just decides at that point, she goes, okay, I'm gonna do one.

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She does her research finds there's one in Florida and she signs up for it.

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The goal stopped becoming lose weight look better, And the goal became, get

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to the start line healthy, and then get to the finish line no matter what,

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how long it took, it's to get to that finish line, get finish line healthy.

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through this journey of her deciding that this is what I'm gonna do, she.

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Learns all the other stuff.

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Hey, not only does it decide now I'm not dieting to lose weight.

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Now I'm dieting to fuel my workouts and to fuel my recovery.

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And to, you know, make sure that I could sustain myself, you know, so I have to

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have energy to work, but I also have to have energy to work out and I gotta have,

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you know, certain components of my diet to recover so that I can go work out

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and work and maintain a level of energy.

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So instead of this negative.

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Goal of, oh, I gotta lose weight so I can look better, you know, because I'm fat.

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Oh, uh, negative self-talk.

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No.

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Now it's, I am getting to that finish.

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I'm getting to that start line and I'm getting to that finish line.

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I'm gonna kick Ironman's butt and I am going to, and I'm gonna do it in style.

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And that becomes the goal.

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And she learns, loses the weight and learns the dieting and the

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food aspect of it on the way to this big giant goal, right?

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And yeah, there's setbacks, there's injuries, there's things that

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didn't work, 18 months later, she's on the beach, Panama City Beach.

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She's 120 pounds.

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She's in a size extra small wetsuit, and she's ready to take on Ironman.

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She does it in 1125, which is unheard of for a first timer.

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11 hours, 25 minutes.

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That's a 2.4 mile swim, 112 miles on the bike and a marathon, a 26.2 mile run.

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you wanna get better at other things, take on something that you

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never thought you could do possible.

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And.

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Sometimes you, you set an initial timeline and if, if that timeline is not, is,

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is not in accordance with what you're gonna do, then move the timeline out.

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But no, don't ever lose sight of that goal and go after something.

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Like I said, that's so outta your comfort zone so outta something you

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never thought that you would do.

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I guarantee you Kat never thought she was gonna do an Ironman triathlon you, right?

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Um, I dunno if you've ever thought that you'd be, do an adventure race.

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You know, um, I've got people that I've met people in, in, in triathlon

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community that have had, that have, um, summited Mount Everest, you know,

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and these are things that, these are things that nowhere in their life did

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they think they would be able to do.

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But by doing something like that, man, the rest of your life, it just goes

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gangbusters because of the confidence level and the comparison, right.

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You get stuck with an object, uh, you know something at work, a boss doesn't

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treat you the right way, blah, blah, blah.

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And you're like, I did an Ironman in 11 20, 11 min 11 hours and 25 minutes.

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What can't I do?

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I started saying that after my, after jumping out of an airplane

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free falling, I'm like, jumped out of an airplane at, at, you know, at at

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15,000 feet and live to tell about it.

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What can't I do?

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And that's the way you gotta keep going back at it.

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Now we forget that stuff.

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So you gotta keep coming back to it.

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A lot of people, uh, a lot of people that have done a, a, a ton

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of endurance events and stuff.

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They'll, they'll tell you that they just throw their metals in a

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shoebox and they leave them there.

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Not me post them.

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I got, I got just, I've got like five hangers and they're all like, overflowing

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with metals and it's, and it's in a room that's only for me, like the only

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person that goes in that room is me.

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Once in a while, maybe my parents wanna go in there, but it's in my gym.

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It's in my man cave, uh, or my pain cave.

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I just, I should call it, it's there.

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It's there for me, not for them, for me.

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So that when I'm getting ready to go on a race, or if I'm training for race

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and I don't feel like I am getting what I need outta myself, I look back

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and go, look, you've done it before.

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You can do it again and you can do it better.

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So that's, you know, and those are those little tiny tweaks that

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you do in order to, you know, get to the next level in life.

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Sometimes it's not getting to the next level of where it is,

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where you think it should be.

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Sometimes you have to go outside of that, of your little echo chamber,

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go out of it, do something you never thought you would ever do possibly,

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but might interest you and obsess over it for a month, a year, two years, hit

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the goal and you're gonna come back.

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Everything in your life will be changed.

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Everything will seem so much easier and you'll figure things

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out a lot faster, easier.

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Your mind will be clearer.

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All you have to do is go back to the experience of that big, giant goal.

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That's huge, and it's so powerful in being that that lever to get us.

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Where our thoughts can take us, man, when we're, you know,

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just kind of sliding down.

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Well, dude, Brad, how can guys connect with you outside of the podcast and,

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and your story and what you've shared today has just been so encouraging.

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I love it.

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So how can guys connect with you outside of the podcast, man?

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Well, and and I appreciate that, Mike.

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Um, I have a coaching business.

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It's called Inner Fire Endurance Sports, and that's at InnerFireEndurance.com.

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I have a podcast, as I mentioned, it's called Life-Changing Challengers.

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So there's life-changing challengers.com.

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Um, and then, um, both of those sites also have.

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Contact, uh, forms.

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They also have my socials on them as well.

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So it's, yeah, it's, I'm, I'm all over the place.

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You just, you know, look up my name, Google my name, Brad Minus,

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and you'll, you'll see a bunch of different places where it, where it is.

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Um, and you can contact me there any, you know, anywhere.

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Fantastic.

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And all that information, all the, the contact, um, like as far as your

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websites and the social will be in the show notes, so appreciate that.

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That'll be readily accessible.

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Brad, I appreciate it.

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Thank you so much again for the encouragement, the fact that we're not

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stuck, you know where we're at, but we can look at it and go, okay, how can I.

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Get to that ideal phase that you talked about and then just researching, doing

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the trial and error and not tying that to our identity and our worth,

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but instead realizing, Hey, this is trial and error, and I am who I am.

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Um, dude, so powerful.

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I appreciate it, Brad.

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Thank you so much my friend.

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You're welcome.

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And, and I just wanna say that you know, what you wanna think about here as far

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as that big goal is spark the desire.

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You can spark the desire, you'll inc your limits.

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Thank you.

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Amazing.

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Thank you.