How To Be Happy & Change Your Life with Andrew Matthews

Mike Forrester: 00:00:01

Well, hello and welcome back, my friend, man.

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This week, far on the other side from Australia, Andrew Matthews is joining

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me and Andrew has written 12 books.

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And these are just not like, you know, small little see

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spot run or anything like that.

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These are impactful books.

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Um, being happy, bouncing back, helping us to understand how we can

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change our situation and where we're at and just the whole trajectory.

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I mean, there's going to be points in life where The way we're feeling

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is not the way we want to continue.

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And so Andrew's got some insight on that.

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We're going to get into his journey and what he's overcome.

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And, uh, the man is just writing from his heart and writing it in a way that it's

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tangible and accessible for all of us.

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So guys really looking forward to this one.

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Andrew, how are you doing today?

Mike Forrester: 00:00:54

My friend.

Andrew Matthews: 00:00:56

I'm well, Mike, and I should tell you

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it's already tomorrow here.

Mike Forrester: 00:01:01

Well, what's going on in the future?

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Kind of give us a little insight on what we can expect coming from our future.

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The

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sky is blue in Queensland, Australia.

Mike Forrester: 00:01:11

Nice.

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Well, and dude, I should, I should say it's not just

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like you've written 12 books.

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Andrew, you've gotten your 12 books are like in 48 languages

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and 8 million copies, man.

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I mean, you're writing stuff that's hitting home and resonating for

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people in a large, large way there.

Andrew Matthews: 00:01:34

Well, I, I have my wife to thank for that, Mike.

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My wife, Julie, um, became my publisher in 1995 and she said,

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Andrew, we're going global.

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And when Julie gets serious, she's serious.

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She fears nobody, not, not even me.

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And, um, uh, we, um, have had the opportunity to go into.

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I guess core languages like, uh, you know, um, Chinese and Spanish

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and German, but many less well known and obscure little countries have

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bought the rights to our books.

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And so it's been a joy to see the message go into places like Iran and, and, uh,

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You know, we're in Hindi and, and, um, we're in countries like Croatia and so on.

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Um, I, I should say my, my books are very simply written and I

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illustrate them with cartoons.

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So I think that probably helps to.

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Take the message across boundaries and cultures.

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Yes.

Mike Forrester: 00:02:46

Yeah, we're not looking to try and read like a war

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and peace or something like that.

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It's, it's totally accessible and easily understood.

Andrew Matthews: 00:02:54

I write, uh, self help books for people who hate self help books.

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Nice.

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I, I, I think, uh, we shouldn't have to read a sentence twice.

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To figure out what's being said, and I think, uh, we want to read books

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that are accessible and that have, uh, in my case, a lot of cartoons

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that, that will help us to remember the message and enjoy the message.

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So that has been, uh, I guess, my hallmark, uh, since.

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Being Happy was first published in 1988.

Mike Forrester: 00:03:30

Hmm.

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Well, and I'll say, Andrew, I think you're right in the book for me because

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with my dyslexia, I will look at a paragraph and I will read it eight times

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and still it's not clicking in my head.

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It's like, come on, really?

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So, so I am, I am your audience that you're writing for.

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I appreciate it, my friend.

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Well, let's, let's jump off and, and start off with what does life look like for

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you on the professional side of things.

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And we've, we've talked about the books, um, success, but maybe like, tell us,

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you know, uh, what that entails now for you today, now that, you know, they're

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written and, um, in 48 languages.

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I mean, what do you still do, um, to inspire and impact people?

Andrew Matthews: 00:04:19

One of the things that I love to do is share my

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messages and share with corporations and I even go into prisons.

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So I do a lot of speaking at conferences and conventions.

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When my first book came out, I would be invited into high schools often.

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And in the process of promoting my books when they first came out.

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came out.

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I would go anywhere to talk about them.

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I'd go into hospitals and You know, you go into a prison, they can't leave,

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you know, you give your speech and, and, um, so anywhere that I spoke

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to multi level marketing groups all over the world, and, uh, and I draw

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cartoons on stage while I speak.

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So it makes it a little different to the usual talking head.

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And as things have evolved over the last 30 years.

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So, uh, I, I do a lot more conventional corporate work and

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I may be speaking to a Walmart or McDonald's or HSBC or Honda or Lenovo

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or Dell or companies like that.

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Often when they say, let's get a guy who's a little bit different.

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This guy that's drawing cartoons on stage, as he talks about being happier

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and bouncing back, that might work.

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And so that's.

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What it looks like for me, uh, as a, a public speaker and, uh, it's

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important also for me to be out amongst my audience and my readers.

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So, uh, part of the time I'll be writing a book.

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I've just finished my 12th Bouncing Back, but a lot of the time I'm out

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amongst the people who read my books.

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In knowing your story and talking with you, it's one of

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those of, it didn't just automatically land with like the first publisher.

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Um, you had to go through, I think it was 77 publishers rejecting

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it to get to the acceptance.

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Isn't that right?

Andrew Matthews: 00:06:31

Yes, to get a book published.

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So I'd heard it could be difficult.

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So the first book I wrote was actually a children's book.

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And, um, so I got the names of 60 publishers and, uh, I, I thought

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I'm not going to send one out and then wait for a rejection and send

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it, you know, to the next publisher.

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So I will send out, I got 60 manuscripts and I sent them to 60 publishers and Soon

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the rejection slips started to come back.

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This is back in the days when publishers would write to you.

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Um, and I, soon I had, after like three weeks, I had like 10, 15 rejections.

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And then I had 20 and 30 and 45 and 51 and 58 and 59 and then 60 and then 61.

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One publisher wrote to me twice and said, forget it.

Mike Forrester: 00:07:28

Once wasn't enough to tell you that?

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They had to tell you twice, huh?

Andrew Matthews: 00:07:32

Apparently.

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So then, okay, I then knew that I needed another book.

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And, uh, my, the second book that I wrote, but it was the first one

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that was published, was Being Happy.

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So, I was much more selective and I, uh, got the address of 16 publishers

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who I thought would be Perfect.

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And, um, they all said no, but publisher number, I think it was 17, but publisher

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number 18, um, sold 3 million copies.

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So, you know, you never know when.

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When after a whole string of rejection, something is going to work,

Mike Forrester: 00:08:15

man.

Mike Forrester: 00:08:16

Yeah.

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I think that is such like so powerful and such a, an impactful truth is,

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you know, we can be right there and yet walk away because of all the

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no's, all the, the challenge and, and.

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just the frustration that you faced when you're right on the cusp, you know, from

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getting the acceptance, the success.

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And, um, with facing that many rejections, how did you keep going and be like,

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Nope, uh, this, this is something I'm going to see come to fruition.

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It's going to exist and be published.

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How did you keep pushing through all those rejection notices?

Andrew Matthews: 00:09:02

Well, if we get to the reason for writing the

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book, being happy, when I was 25, I made a shocking discovery.

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I discovered that the happiest people that I knew had bigger problems than me.

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And that made no sense.

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I found all these people around me who maybe they'd gone broke or they

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had lost loved ones way too soon, or they were recovering from cancer.

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These people had a better attitude than I did, and I had no excuse.

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I grew up with loving parents, so it was even more, um, weighing on me

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that how come there's people around me that just tend to deal with upsets

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and disappointments better than I do.

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That sent me on a mission and I began reading books, hundreds

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of books on happiness and attitude and the subconscious.

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I wanted to understand how happy people think and wanted to be more like them.

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And having made some fairly simple discoveries, And I would put them in

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the category of how did I get to be 25 without knowing some of these things.

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I thought maybe there's some other people out there who have been equally ignorant

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or just other people who have Not have the advantages that I've had, and there's

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no way that they could have been exposed to some of these ideas, and can I write

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a book that's cartoon illustrated, so it will be fun, um, in simple language that

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would help other people to be a little

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bit happier step by step.

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So that's, so I had a belief that this was an important book and this was,

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and back when I wrote my first book, Mike, there were no books on happiness.

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And, and so many of the books I read were really boring.

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They had big words and I mean, they had useful information.

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So in my mind, I thought there's a lot of people out there that want

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to read a book that's accessible.

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And so.

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When people just kept knocking me back, I thought, well, I'll just keep pushing

Mike Forrester: 00:11:28

So you knew this was what you wanted to do and knew that there were

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others that were kind of struggling with the same, uh, lack of knowledge, right?

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On how to be happy.

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So you, you knew that.

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And that's what kept you driving through the, the rejection letters.

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Is that what I understand?

Andrew Matthews: 00:11:48

Yes, it did.

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And also I was already giving weekend workshops on being more

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effective and goal setting and

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practical meditation and all of these as a package of how to live

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a happier, more effective life.

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And I was frustrated that I couldn't share this with enough people.

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So I thought if I can put some of these ideas into a book, then

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I can, I can reach more people.

Mike Forrester: 00:12:18

Yeah.

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That makes, makes total sense.

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Um, you'd mentioned like, there were some things that at the age of 25, like

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you didn't know about happiness that were just kind of like, all right, I

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would have expected this to be there.

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What were a couple of those things that were just like the

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light bulb kind of went on.

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You're like, how did I not ever see this before?

Andrew Matthews: 00:12:40

You know, the first one was that happiness is

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very much a daily decision we make.

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Now, I, I would say no one's going to be leaping about 24 hours a day every day of

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the week, but in many ways, each day we decide, I'll give you this illustration.

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Many of us have seen a two year old, and he might be playing on the furniture

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at home, and he falls on his head.

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We say, what is the first thing that he does?

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He doesn't cry.

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The first thing he does is he looks around to see who's watching and

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based on the audience He decides am I going to laugh or cry or complain?

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He's making a decision How am I going to respond to what's just happened to me?

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and we're no different at the age of 25 or 85 when we get cut off

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on the freeway and Or we get a checkout clerk that is rude to us.

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There's a split second when we make a decision.

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Is this going to ruin my day?

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Or am I going to decide maybe they're just having a bad day and

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this has nothing to do with me.

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And so I remember the day, Mike, the 19th of October, 1983, when I said, I'm

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going to be happier and I'm going to do better than I have done up until now.

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And that Was a change of trajectory.

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It didn't mean that the next day my life was 100 percent better, but the next

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day my life was a few percent better and one day built on another based on that.

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Today is my day and I'm going to see things.

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In a way that enabled me to be a little gentler on myself, a

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little kinder to other people.

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I'm going to grab opportunities when they come along.

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So the first thing I would say is that happiness is a decision.

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The second thing I would say is that happy people focus on what they have, and

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unhappy people focus on what's missing.

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As a generality, I've got a cartoon in, uh, Bouncing Back, where there's

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a, a very happy guy eating a slice of cake, and the caption is, happy

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people focus on what they have.

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And then, down below that, in the second panel, there's a

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guy with a whole slice of cake.

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With one slice missing and he's looking very upset and angry and

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the caption is happy people focus on what's missing and and we've all come

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across people who have very little and they are joyous and grateful

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and we've come across the reverse.

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So we focus on what we have.

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Um, in addition to that, we've got to be kinder to ourselves,

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and, and I, I know that, uh, many of you who are listening, um,

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tougher lives than I've had, and I'm, I'm so aware of that.

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What I would say is that when we ask ourselves the question, And

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it can be an awkward question, you know, do I need to love myself?

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We need to at least like ourselves because we create the

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life that we feel we deserve.

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And if I don't like myself, I will stay in a relationship where I'm treated badly.

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I might stay in a job for 20 years that I hate.

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I will overlook opportunities saying to myself, that's not

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really something that fits with me.

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what I do or what I would ever get.

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We'll create arguments with people around us, our friends and family

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and colleagues, just because we think I'm not meant to be happy anyway.

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So at some stage, we've got to forgive ourselves for not being perfect.

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And one of the ways I think we can do that is as a practical little thing we can do.

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Get ourselves a photograph of when we were like three years old, when we didn't

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have all the answers, and we were just living life the best way that we knew how.

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And put that photo where we can see it every day and be as kind to ourselves now

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as we would be kind to that little three year old, because we still don't have all

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the answers and we are still, all of us, just living life the best way we know how.

Mike Forrester: 00:17:41

Yeah, and that kindness, man, that, the lack of kindness, um,

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You know, we may think that's internal, but that is just, it shows up so much

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to the people around us, and then you're having to put up with yourself.

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It is not an enjoyable thing.

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And, uh, I can speak, , from like the self hatred, you know, that I had

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for myself, who I was, where I was in life, dude, the grace and compassion.

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Um, that I now have for myself, it puts me in a totally different

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place, and I'm able to be grateful, you know, for that slice of cake.

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Um, hopefully I didn't rip it off from that guy that,

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you know, had the whole cake.

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But, uh, you know, it's, it just puts you in a different perspective, and it's

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almost like Somebody gave you a different pair of glasses to see both yourself

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and the world around you differently.

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Is that kind of the way you've experienced it with, uh, like happiness and gratitude?

Andrew Matthews: 00:18:41

Absolutely.

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As we begin to be just a little bit kinder to ourselves and forgive

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ourselves for making mistakes.

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And, and we, we evaluate our mistakes, not from the point of view of what

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the outcome was, but we, we say, well, at the time it seemed like

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the best decision I could make.

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We don't evaluate our mistakes based on what the outcome was, but this,

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this is, this is what made sense to me.

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I did my best.

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It didn't work.

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I don't have to beat up on myself.

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You know, one of the things that.

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That really stunned me.

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And, you know, I've been writing these books and doing these talks for 35 years.

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I've got a buddy with whom I play tennis, Ted, right?

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And Ted is a real estate agent.

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This guy just seems bulletproof.

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You know, he's, he's seems tough and he's always making fun of the other

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guys at tennis and they make fun of him.

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And they make fun of him because he's got a big mouth and he's a smartass.

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And, and it seems like nothing worries this guy, you know, he just, and he

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said to me in a quiet moment last year, he said, you know, there's

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not a day that goes by that I don't agonize that I've said the wrong

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thing, that I've done the wrong thing.

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He said, my life is a living nightmare.

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I thought, Ted, of all people, surely not you.

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Nothing seems to worry you.

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You're always making fun of other people.

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And you're always the first one to make a smart comment.

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And it reminded me that as we look around us, and we think that other

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people have got it all together, and other people are super confident.

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Some of us, as we know, grew up With our parents telling us that we were

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useless or that we'd never make it.

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Some of us grew up thinking we're ugly or unlovable.

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And then we've got parents who are dying, and children who are sick, and

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some of us have a terrible secret.

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We're broke, and we don't know how we're going to make it through the next week.

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People all around us are just suffering.

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And, so the question is, not why are some people so difficult

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and hard to get along with.

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The question is, how do these people even survive?

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It's a miracle, and some people are, are just so courageous in having

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to make it with the kind of baggage that they took on as children.

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And everyone is hurting much more than we know.

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And I think that gives us maybe a starting point to be a little bit more

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forgiving of those people that cut us off on the freeway and are rude to us

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in supermarkets and people who, and we think, you know, maybe they're going

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through stuff that I can't even imagine.

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And, uh, so it was this guy, I thought if Ted is suffering,

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then, wow, so many people.

Mike Forrester: 00:22:22

Yeah, those shades and blinds just kind of lift and you get

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to see things a little bit differently.

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And what you expected is not necessarily the reality.

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Um, Andrew, in happiness I think we are all like, Hey, I can be happy

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when things around me are peaceful.

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There's something, you know, it's smooth sailing in essence, right?

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It's easy to be happy when life is going well.

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But truth be told, we all hit those spots where life is rough and there's

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a challenge, you know, a bill's not paid, a loved one's in the hospital.

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Our health is in question, you know, job.

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You know, situation is shaky.

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There's different situations that impact us all, you know, uniquely.

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But when we hit those challenges, how do we choose happiness in spite

Mike Forrester: 00:23:16

of, of that, you know, adversity, that hurdle that we're facing.

Andrew Matthews: 00:23:22

You know, the starting point is acceptance.

Andrew Matthews: 00:23:25

There's a myth that a lot of us live with, and that is if something happens that you

Andrew Matthews: 00:23:31

don't like, as long as you don't accept it, then you won't be stuck with it.

Andrew Matthews: 00:23:36

And the reverse is actually true.

Andrew Matthews: 00:23:39

As soon as you say, this thing that's just happened that I don't

Andrew Matthews: 00:23:44

like, I acknowledge It's happened.

Andrew Matthews: 00:23:48

And whatever the case may be, let's say you figure that

Andrew Matthews: 00:23:52

you're in line for a promotion.

Andrew Matthews: 00:23:54

I'm going to get this thing and then suddenly your colleague

Andrew Matthews: 00:23:57

gets the position and you say, you know, I can't believe that.

Andrew Matthews: 00:24:03

How could they do that?

Andrew Matthews: 00:24:04

This is unjust.

Andrew Matthews: 00:24:05

It's unfair.

Andrew Matthews: 00:24:06

It's and as long as you rail against The other guy getting the job and, and, and

Andrew Matthews: 00:24:16

you don't accept it, then you're stuck.

Andrew Matthews: 00:24:18

Or if, if you have a, a partner that turns out she's been cheating

Andrew Matthews: 00:24:24

on you and you say, I don't like what happened, but I accept it.

Andrew Matthews: 00:24:31

And maybe you will forgive and find a way to make it work.

Andrew Matthews: 00:24:35

Maybe you can forgive and you'll find another partner at some point.

Andrew Matthews: 00:24:40

But the starting point is acceptance.

Andrew Matthews: 00:24:42

Acceptance is power.

Andrew Matthews: 00:24:45

And it's from that point that we move on.

Andrew Matthews: 00:24:48

I had a A, a fellow, uh, he'd, uh, been abused in the church as, as a, a boy,

Andrew Matthews: 00:24:57

and he wrote to me after reading my book, uh, Happiness in Hard Times, where

Andrew Matthews: 00:25:02

the first chapter was about acceptance.

Andrew Matthews: 00:25:05

And, um, he said, I've been reading books and trying to find

Andrew Matthews: 00:25:10

a way through this for 20 years.

Andrew Matthews: 00:25:13

And when you said to me, The starting point for happiness is

Andrew Matthews: 00:25:18

accepting what's happened, even though I don't like what's happened.

Andrew Matthews: 00:25:23

Then, that was when things started to get better for me.

Andrew Matthews: 00:25:28

So the first step is saying, I don't like it, but now I move on to what I want.

Andrew Matthews: 00:25:33

The second important thing I would say is that we aim to live

Andrew Matthews: 00:25:38

our life 24 hours at a time.

Andrew Matthews: 00:25:40

When we are being crushed by something and we say, how can I make it through this?

Andrew Matthews: 00:25:47

This is.

Andrew Matthews: 00:25:48

Unbearable.

Andrew Matthews: 00:25:50

Maybe it's a little bit like when we're climbing a mountain and we find

Andrew Matthews: 00:25:54

that we're stuck on a ledge, all of our attention goes on to the ledge.

Andrew Matthews: 00:25:58

Suddenly we stop worrying about the rest of the mountain.

Andrew Matthews: 00:26:01

We just focus on the next five minutes.

Andrew Matthews: 00:26:04

And similarly, if you were to take a big sack and put everything that

Andrew Matthews: 00:26:10

you might need to wear and everything that you might want to eat in the next

Andrew Matthews: 00:26:14

five years, and you put it all in this sack and you carried it around on your

Andrew Matthews: 00:26:18

back, and we say, how would you do?

Andrew Matthews: 00:26:21

And the answer is not real well, and eventually you'd collapse.

Andrew Matthews: 00:26:27

But if we were to say, well, what about if you made a list of everything

Andrew Matthews: 00:26:31

that you have to do in the next five years and everything that could go

Andrew Matthews: 00:26:35

wrong in the next five years, and you carried that all around in your

Andrew Matthews: 00:26:39

head, we say, how would that work?

Andrew Matthews: 00:26:41

And equally, at some stage, you would collapse because we're not

Andrew Matthews: 00:26:47

designed to carry that kind of load.

Andrew Matthews: 00:26:50

But we really are designed to live life in 24 hour compartments.

Andrew Matthews: 00:26:55

And if we will just say, Today, I will fix what I can fix.

Andrew Matthews: 00:27:02

I will do what I can and I will let tomorrow take care of itself.

Andrew Matthews: 00:27:07

Then suddenly what was impossible becomes manageable.

Andrew Matthews: 00:27:13

So that's.

Andrew Matthews: 00:27:14

Number two, you know, we're talking about accepting what we don't

Andrew Matthews: 00:27:17

like, but acceptance is power.

Andrew Matthews: 00:27:20

Essentially, uh, we live our life in 24 hour compartments and we also

Andrew Matthews: 00:27:27

need step number three, which is imagining for ourselves a better life.

Andrew Matthews: 00:27:33

Um, we, we become what we think about.

Andrew Matthews: 00:27:37

And we say, well, how do I get better?

Andrew Matthews: 00:27:40

How does my life get better?

Andrew Matthews: 00:27:41

It doesn't get better by focusing on who you are.

Andrew Matthews: 00:27:44

It gets better by having a picture of who you want to be and where you're headed.

Andrew Matthews: 00:27:50

And everything starts in your imagination.

Andrew Matthews: 00:27:53

Uh, uh, uh.

Andrew Matthews: 00:27:54

A healthier bank balance, it starts in your imagination and

Andrew Matthews: 00:27:59

then hopefully it plays out in the real world or more confidence or

Andrew Matthews: 00:28:04

an ability to present in public.

Andrew Matthews: 00:28:06

It's an idea that starts in our imagination and we begin to

Andrew Matthews: 00:28:10

say, well, maybe that's possible for me and we move toward it.

Andrew Matthews: 00:28:14

A loving relationship starts in our imagination.

Andrew Matthews: 00:28:18

I can see myself being loved and loving someone, even though

Andrew Matthews: 00:28:23

it hasn't happened for me yet.

Andrew Matthews: 00:28:26

It all begins in our imagination, and we, we need to nurture that

Andrew Matthews: 00:28:31

in our spare moments when we're sitting on the bus, when we're lying

Andrew Matthews: 00:28:36

in bed, expecting to go to sleep.

Andrew Matthews: 00:28:39

We need to be playing those movies of the world that we

Andrew Matthews: 00:28:43

want and the life that we want.

Mike Forrester: 00:28:46

Yeah, too often.

Mike Forrester: 00:28:47

I think it's the expected stuff is negative and we're not giving

Mike Forrester: 00:28:53

ourselves like the permission to be loved because we don't feel lovable.

Mike Forrester: 00:28:58

But when you're talking about, hey, how do I want to You know, be, who

Mike Forrester: 00:29:03

do I want to be going forward and what life do I want to experience

Mike Forrester: 00:29:07

changing that thought process?

Mike Forrester: 00:29:10

Um, you know, leads us to ways to see how we can have that stuff, um,

Mike Forrester: 00:29:16

rather than focusing on the negative shortcoming aspects, which we've been

Mike Forrester: 00:29:20

focused on for, uh, you know, kind of our default for too long, right?

Andrew Matthews: 00:29:25

It is a, a thing that builds momentum, Mike.

Andrew Matthews: 00:29:30

I mean, initially we take these tentative steps and we say, is

Andrew Matthews: 00:29:35

this really possible for me?

Andrew Matthews: 00:29:37

Is, is, is it possible to have a better life than I have now, but as we get

Andrew Matthews: 00:29:43

up each day and we say, I'm going to look for good things and we find what

Andrew Matthews: 00:29:48

we look for, um, If I ask myself, what do I love about this town I live in?

Andrew Matthews: 00:29:54

What do I love about?

Andrew Matthews: 00:29:56

Or what do I like about, even, the people that I work with?

Andrew Matthews: 00:30:00

What do I, what is good about the job that I have?

Andrew Matthews: 00:30:03

Uh, what is even good about some of the setbacks that I've had,

Andrew Matthews: 00:30:07

and what have I learned from them?

Andrew Matthews: 00:30:10

Then we find good things.

Andrew Matthews: 00:30:11

So, our happiness is very much in the, in the questions that we ask ourselves.

Andrew Matthews: 00:30:17

And as we begin to gain some momentum, we tend to gravitate

Andrew Matthews: 00:30:24

toward people who think similarly.

Andrew Matthews: 00:30:27

We, we become like the people that we spend time with.

Andrew Matthews: 00:30:31

And so I, I'm, I'm thinking that as, as our listeners are hearing your message

Andrew Matthews: 00:30:38

and your guests on a regular basis, then it becomes more and more clear

Andrew Matthews: 00:30:46

that there's other people that are doing things to ensure a happy life.

Andrew Matthews: 00:30:53

And, and we start to think like the positive people around us, but

Andrew Matthews: 00:30:59

it's, it's like rowing a rowboat.

Andrew Matthews: 00:31:01

You know, the first few meters are really hard and we think, is

Andrew Matthews: 00:31:05

this thing even going to work?

Andrew Matthews: 00:31:06

But, but gradually, you know, we get some momentum and we move forward and we're

Andrew Matthews: 00:31:15

doing less circles and life gets better.

Mike Forrester: 00:31:22

Yeah, it definitely does, because I mean, it's like the first

Mike Forrester: 00:31:26

change, it's, it's almost like when you go to play golf and you have a coach that

Mike Forrester: 00:31:31

says, no, you're holding the club wrong.

Mike Forrester: 00:31:33

You're swinging wrong.

Mike Forrester: 00:31:34

And it's just what you were doing before felt correct.

Mike Forrester: 00:31:37

And now you're doing something unnatural.

Mike Forrester: 00:31:40

It's kind of that same thing with when we change our perspective

Mike Forrester: 00:31:43

when we are choosing to be happy.

Mike Forrester: 00:31:46

If that's a new skill, it's gonna feel awkward, but it's giving ourself

Mike Forrester: 00:31:52

enough grace and space to be awkward and yet continue building that

Mike Forrester: 00:31:58

momentum like you've talked about.

Mike Forrester: 00:32:01

Um, when you've got, you know, like a, uh, job that is unfulfilling,

Mike Forrester: 00:32:09

you're unsatisfied with it.

Mike Forrester: 00:32:12

How do you find the happiness in the work, you know, the, the position,

Mike Forrester: 00:32:18

um, to, to keep going back, um, until something else comes along?

Mike Forrester: 00:32:25

How do you, how do you have that happy perspective, um,

Mike Forrester: 00:32:31

when it feels like a grind?

Andrew Matthews: 00:32:33

Yeah, my first thought is that we give our best and because

Andrew Matthews: 00:32:40

we're happiest when we give our best.

Andrew Matthews: 00:32:42

We don't do our best because our boss tells us to give our best or because,

Andrew Matthews: 00:32:47

you know, when we're kids, we don't give our best because our parents

Andrew Matthews: 00:32:51

or our teachers say, do your best.

Andrew Matthews: 00:32:52

Best at some point, most of us have probably figured out that we're happiest

Andrew Matthews: 00:32:58

when we give everything we've got a lot of other things happen when we

Andrew Matthews: 00:33:03

put everything we have into a job.

Andrew Matthews: 00:33:05

Number 1 is we develop skills that we may be able to use in another job in the

Andrew Matthews: 00:33:09

future, or we develop a reputation so that somebody sees us and says, we'd like to

Andrew Matthews: 00:33:17

promote you to a different department, which is better suited for you.

Andrew Matthews: 00:33:21

And we get confidence that we can start to look at other options outside

Andrew Matthews: 00:33:27

our current workplace, and we may get the confidence and the skills and

Andrew Matthews: 00:33:33

the reputation that we can actually start doing something that's ours.

Andrew Matthews: 00:33:38

But all that begins With giving everything we've got to what's under

Andrew Matthews: 00:33:46

our nose and, um, my experience is that very often opportunities

Andrew Matthews: 00:33:53

come at the most unlikely times.

Andrew Matthews: 00:33:57

And if we will say this job, I've got, it's not perfect, but it's what I have

Andrew Matthews: 00:34:02

and while I've got it, I'm going to give my all and people say, well, other people

Andrew Matthews: 00:34:08

in the company aren't working that hard.

Andrew Matthews: 00:34:10

That's not my business.

Andrew Matthews: 00:34:12

People, other people in the company say we're underpaid.

Andrew Matthews: 00:34:15

That's not my business.

Andrew Matthews: 00:34:16

My business is, my personal motto is, I give everything I

Andrew Matthews: 00:34:20

have for as long as I'm here.

Andrew Matthews: 00:34:23

And that's powerful.

Andrew Matthews: 00:34:26

The other thing that I think is, is, uh, really interesting, there

Andrew Matthews: 00:34:31

was a professor called Shane Lopez at the University of Kansas.

Andrew Matthews: 00:34:38

And he was interested in how it is that people end up in jobs that they love.

Andrew Matthews: 00:34:45

He thought, because there's a whole lot of talk these days

Andrew Matthews: 00:34:48

about following your bliss.

Andrew Matthews: 00:34:51

And so he wanted to find out, what is it with this following your bliss?

Andrew Matthews: 00:34:56

And people who love their jobs, is that what they've done?

Andrew Matthews: 00:34:59

So he surveyed 8, 500 people.

Andrew Matthews: 00:35:05

And of those, 1, 100 people said, we love our job, which is what, 13%.

Andrew Matthews: 00:35:11

And so then he said, well, how did you find this job that you love?

Andrew Matthews: 00:35:15

And almost nobody talked about, well, I followed my bliss.

Andrew Matthews: 00:35:20

Basically, they said, I found a good job, and I put my heart and soul into it.

Andrew Matthews: 00:35:26

And we surprised our customers, and we supported our colleagues, and

Andrew Matthews: 00:35:31

we found ways to be better at this.

Andrew Matthews: 00:35:35

Every day, and we just got up every day and said, we're going to

Andrew Matthews: 00:35:40

do our best, we're going to have this special uplifting culture.

Andrew Matthews: 00:35:47

And they said, one day I discovered that my good job became wonderful.

Andrew Matthews: 00:35:55

And I think that is so instructive for those of us who at some point thought,

Andrew Matthews: 00:36:01

well, maybe the perfect job is out there.

Andrew Matthews: 00:36:05

It's much.

Andrew Matthews: 00:36:05

And, and, you know, for you guys listening, you know, maybe you're

Andrew Matthews: 00:36:10

in a job that doesn't have a future and, you know, it's very evident,

Andrew Matthews: 00:36:15

but there's no perfect job out there.

Andrew Matthews: 00:36:19

And if you can at least get yourself a good job, the difference between it.

Andrew Matthews: 00:36:24

Being good and wonderful is all about what you put into it.

Mike Forrester: 00:36:30

Um, Andrew, in talking about happiness, that is a choice, you

Mike Forrester: 00:36:36

know, what else have you found that is a choice that too many of us think is

Mike Forrester: 00:36:42

just a, um, Set state of, of life that we, we don't have a choice in making.

Mike Forrester: 00:36:49

What are the things that we actually do have power to choose, but, um,

Mike Forrester: 00:36:54

aren't actively stepping into?

Mike Forrester: 00:36:58

Andrew Matthews: Forgiveness comes to mind.

Mike Forrester: 00:37:00

I mean, uh, it's such a. You know, forgiveness is something that, that,

Mike Forrester: 00:37:06

um, will develop a reaction in us and we think, well, okay, maybe in theory

Mike Forrester: 00:37:12

it's good and, and Mike, it's good for you to forgive some people, but

Mike Forrester: 00:37:15

I've got some, I got some people in my life I'm never going to forgive.

Mike Forrester: 00:37:21

Um, but we don't forgive people for their benefit.

Mike Forrester: 00:37:25

We forgive people for our benefit.

Mike Forrester: 00:37:28

And, um, uh, as soon as I can let go of stuff and, and say these

Mike Forrester: 00:37:34

people that I feel have wronged me, I don't agree with what they did,

Mike Forrester: 00:37:39

but again, I'm going to move on.

Mike Forrester: 00:37:42

So, uh, that's when life gets better.

Mike Forrester: 00:37:47

And we realize that we really do have a choice.

Mike Forrester: 00:37:49

And you say, well, what about somebody that has really wronged me seriously?

Mike Forrester: 00:37:54

Well, maybe let's not worry about those.

Mike Forrester: 00:37:57

Let, let's, let's We were talking about momentum earlier.

Mike Forrester: 00:38:01

Let's gather some momentum by forgiving just the little things, people that

Mike Forrester: 00:38:05

were just maybe slightly rude or people who didn't consider my needs.

Mike Forrester: 00:38:11

We forgive some of those little things first and, and then we Gather

Mike Forrester: 00:38:15

up some muscle power and we're more prepared to let go of some things

Mike Forrester: 00:38:21

that we've been hanging on to With people that have really, you know,

Mike Forrester: 00:38:26

we feel done some serious things.

Mike Forrester: 00:38:28

So Forgiveness is is something.

Mike Forrester: 00:38:34

I mean, if we talk specifically about gratitude and, and we find in

Mike Forrester: 00:38:39

life what we look for, um, the, the, the, the great thing about gratitude

Mike Forrester: 00:38:46

is, is that you can't be miserable and grateful at the same time.

Mike Forrester: 00:38:51

You can't be angry and grateful at the same time.

Mike Forrester: 00:38:54

So, as, as you, uh, begin to say, you know, gratitude is

Mike Forrester: 00:39:01

something I, I can choose.

Mike Forrester: 00:39:04

Um, um, happy people say, or, or unhappy people say, when I'm

Mike Forrester: 00:39:13

happy, then I'll be grateful.

Mike Forrester: 00:39:17

And happy people say, and they understand, when I'm grateful, then I'll be happy.

Mike Forrester: 00:39:22

And so it is in looking for those things that, you know, amongst the frustrations

Mike Forrester: 00:39:28

and disappointments of everyday life, it's in focusing on those things.

Mike Forrester: 00:39:33

So, yeah, forgiveness, gratitude.

Mike Forrester: 00:39:37

So if forgiveness and gratitude are kind of like,

Mike Forrester: 00:39:40

sounds almost like cousins, right?

Mike Forrester: 00:39:42

By the way you're describing it, they're, they're pretty close related.

Mike Forrester: 00:39:45

Is there anything else that.

Mike Forrester: 00:39:47

goes along, like when we choose gratitude, we choose happiness.

Mike Forrester: 00:39:51

Is there anything else that you would expect to feel that that

Mike Forrester: 00:39:55

comes along with those two?

Andrew Matthews: 00:39:58

Um, certainly as, as we forgive ourselves, then we begin to

Andrew Matthews: 00:40:04

treat other people a whole lot better.

Andrew Matthews: 00:40:06

And so, um, it's not really about our relationship with other people.

Andrew Matthews: 00:40:13

It's so much more about our relationship with ourselves.

Andrew Matthews: 00:40:17

And, and that is why when we come across these people, as we do, who

Andrew Matthews: 00:40:22

are rude and thoughtless and angry, and we think, you know, what is

Andrew Matthews: 00:40:28

it that they don't like about me?

Andrew Matthews: 00:40:29

It's got nothing to do with you.

Andrew Matthews: 00:40:32

It's just got all to do with the stuff that they're dealing with.

Andrew Matthews: 00:40:36

People have said, you know, this happiness thing, uh, I, I,

Andrew Matthews: 00:40:40

I want to be successful first.

Andrew Matthews: 00:40:42

After I'm successful, I'll worry about being happy.

Andrew Matthews: 00:40:46

And happiness is not some optional extra.

Andrew Matthews: 00:40:52

Um, happiness is your foundation.

Andrew Matthews: 00:40:56

And, and when you've, when you feel better about yourself, then, then

Andrew Matthews: 00:41:01

you have more energy, then you are healthier, then you make decisions

Andrew Matthews: 00:41:06

that are going to keep you healthier.

Andrew Matthews: 00:41:08

Uh, we solve problems like 20 percent faster when we're happy.

Andrew Matthews: 00:41:14

Uh, doctors diagnose illness 30 30 percent more accurately when the doctor is happy.

Andrew Matthews: 00:41:21

So, uh, get a happy doctor.

Andrew Matthews: 00:41:23

We also tend to, uh, take little risks and say, I can try

Andrew Matthews: 00:41:30

that when, when we're happy.

Andrew Matthews: 00:41:34

Um, so happiness is not something that is just, you know, something that we

Andrew Matthews: 00:41:43

want to tack on to the success that we're hoping to have, or I'll find the

Andrew Matthews: 00:41:49

right partner and then I'll be happy.

Andrew Matthews: 00:41:51

You were talking about golf earlier, uh, I'm not a golfer, so to my great

Andrew Matthews: 00:41:57

surprise, uh, When Nick Faldo won the British Open in 1991, he They said, Nick,

Andrew Matthews: 00:42:07

you seemed a bit more relaxed and in control on the course out there today.

Andrew Matthews: 00:42:11

It was a very tight finish.

Andrew Matthews: 00:42:13

They said, what made the difference?

Andrew Matthews: 00:42:15

And he said, I read this book by Andrew Matthews called Being Happy.

Andrew Matthews: 00:42:20

We say, what could Andrew Matthews teach the world's number one golfer about golf?

Andrew Matthews: 00:42:24

And of course, the answer is absolutely nothing.

Andrew Matthews: 00:42:28

But here is the thing.

Andrew Matthews: 00:42:29

When we feel better, we do better.

Andrew Matthews: 00:42:34

And so that is why this quest and the books that I've written over these

Andrew Matthews: 00:42:41

last 30, 35 years are so important because happiness and the way we feel

Andrew Matthews: 00:42:49

Is, uh, what determines our success and enables us to be resilient and healthy.

Andrew Matthews: 00:42:56

And it's a really worthwhile thing to stick at.

Andrew Matthews: 00:43:01

Once again, make that decision to be gentler on myself, give other

Andrew Matthews: 00:43:07

people the benefit of the doubt.

Andrew Matthews: 00:43:11

Today is my day.

Mike Forrester: 00:43:14

Man, Andrew, it's like happiness is the cheat code that I

Mike Forrester: 00:43:18

think so many of us are missing and don't give enough, you know, power

Mike Forrester: 00:43:23

and credibility to changing our life and making things to be You know, be

Mike Forrester: 00:43:30

what we've envisioned and hoped for.

Mike Forrester: 00:43:33

Um, we're waiting for success and the other things that we've been sold.

Mike Forrester: 00:43:38

But it's like the true secret is the one that's right out there

Mike Forrester: 00:43:41

in front of us is happiness.

Mike Forrester: 00:43:43

And so, um, dude, I will tell you when I start going.

Mike Forrester: 00:43:47

to my doctor visits.

Mike Forrester: 00:43:48

I'm going to ask my doctor, Hey, are you happy?

Mike Forrester: 00:43:51

And if not, I'm, I'm walking out Andrew.

Mike Forrester: 00:43:53

So, um, well, Andrew, thank you so much for everything you've

Mike Forrester: 00:43:57

shared here about happiness, about forgiveness and gratitude as well.

Mike Forrester: 00:44:03

How can guys connect with you outside of this podcast here?

Andrew Matthews: 00:44:06

Oh, wonderful.

Andrew Matthews: 00:44:07

Thank you, Mike.

Andrew Matthews: 00:44:08

I have a newsletter that I do every two weeks.

Andrew Matthews: 00:44:13

It has a cartoon and about a hundred words.

Andrew Matthews: 00:44:17

I know that we're all so busy, but just one little helpful idea

Andrew Matthews: 00:44:21

is what I share in my newsletter.

Andrew Matthews: 00:44:25

And my website where you can find that is andrewmatthews.com.

Andrew Matthews: 00:44:31

So, that is all one word and there are two T's in Matthews, andrewmatthews.com.

Andrew Matthews: 00:44:36

Um, all of my books are on Amazon.

Andrew Matthews: 00:44:40

So, for example, my latest book, Bouncing Back, is, uh, An ebook.

Andrew Matthews: 00:44:47

It's a hard copy book.

Andrew Matthews: 00:44:49

And if you like your audio books with an Australian flavor, I've,

Andrew Matthews: 00:44:54

um, read the audio book as well.

Andrew Matthews: 00:44:57

Um, and, um, all of the other books are in audio.

Mike Forrester: 00:45:02

Cool.

Mike Forrester: 00:45:02

Yeah.

Mike Forrester: 00:45:02

I will put the, um, the link to andrewmatthews.

Mike Forrester: 00:45:07

com in the show notes.

Mike Forrester: 00:45:08

And, um, yeah, just Andrew.

Mike Forrester: 00:45:12

I so appreciate it.

Mike Forrester: 00:45:13

Thank you very much for joining me today and sharing everything, both your journey

Mike Forrester: 00:45:16

and your insights and, uh, super grateful.

Mike Forrester: 00:45:19

Thank you, Andrew.

Andrew Matthews: 00:45:20

My pleasure.

Andrew Matthews: 00:45:20

Entirely.

Andrew Matthews: 00:45:21

Mike.

Andrew Matthews: 00:45:21

Thanks so much.

Mike Forrester: 00:45:23

Thank you.